On 26 Oct 2012, at 21:22, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/26/2012 6:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 25 Oct 2012, at 18:57, meekerdb wrote:
Good points. The contrast is usually qualia-v-quanta. I think
color can be communicated and we have an "RGB" language for doing
so that makes it more quanta than qualia. So extending your point
to Schrodinger, if you're a wine connoisseur you have a language
for communicating the taste of wine. Most of us don't speak it,
but most people don't speak differential equations either. But
those are all things that can be shared. The pain of a headache
generally can't be perceived by two different people. But there
are experiments that use small electric shocks to try to produce
objective scales of pain. So I think you are right that it is a
matter of having developed the language; I just don't think color
is the best example.
I disagree here. No qualia are communciable in the sense that
quanta, or numbers, are communicable. We can talk and understand
talk on color only because we bet that we share similar experience
in front of electromagnetic wave with certain wave-length.
We only agree on numbers and counting because we distinguish objects
in the same way.
We only can distinguish objects in the same way because we have brain
which can use numbers and count, in the universal way.
Otherwise your mother could not have taught you to count.
I still feel guilty how much I made my mom suffering on this.
1, 2, What!?!, I stopped already at 2. What is that? Why?
With the amoeba I got acquainted with the 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, ... idea.
But it will take me the reading of Nagel & Newman "Gödel's proof" to
get the 0, 1, 2, 3, ... profoundness, and to decide to study
mathematics instead of biology.
Bruno
Brent
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