Wrong Roger, String theory predicts quantum field theory which is closer to MWI or CTM or monads or the mind than the physical world. Richard

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > String theory is a physical theory, yes, but it itself is not physical. > > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 12/26/2012 > "The one thing a woman looks for in a man is to be needed." - "Ethan Frome", > by Edith Wharton > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Richard Ruquist > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-12-25, 15:46:47 > Subject: Re: Re: Fw: the world as mathematical. was pythagoras right after > all ? > > But you did imply that string theory was physical. Not true. > > On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: >> Hi Richard Ruquist >> >> Read what I said below again. I never said that the quantum >> world is physical, quite the reverse. >> >> Not to worry, I have made similar mistakes, >> especially my inverted interpretation of the gini >> index. >> >> >> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] >> 12/25/2012 >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >> >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> From: Richard Ruquist >> Receiver: everything-list >> Time: 2012-12-24, 12:07:36 >> Subject: Re: Fw: the world as mathematical. was pythagoras right after all >> ? >> >> Roger, >> >> Quantum mechanics is not physical nor is string theory. >> How the physical world comes from the quantum world is a matter of >> conjecture called interpretations. >> Richard >> >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> >> wrote: >>> My idea below is no doubt off-base, but >>> suggests the following idea. >>> >>> As I understand quantum mechanics, it >>> uses only quantum (mathematical) fields, >>> so, at least as far as I can understand, the >>> physical (not the mental) universe is >>> a mathematical construction (perhaps of >>> strings in quantum form). >>> >>> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] >>> 12/24/2012 >>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>> From: Roger Clough >>> Receiver: everything-list >>> Time: 2012-12-24, 09:35:00 >>> Subject: Arithmetic as true constructions of a fictional leggo set >>> >>> >>> Hi Bruno Marchal >>> >>> It helps me if I can understand arithmetic as true >>> constructions of a fictional leggo set. >>> >>> From what you say, the natural numbers and + and * (nn+*). >>> are not a priori members of Platonia (if indeed that makes >>> sense anyway). They can simply be invoked and used >>> as needed, as long as they don't produce contradictions. >>> That being the case, don't you need to add =, - , and >>> / to the Leggo set ? Then we have (nn+-*/=). >>> >>> I wonder if somebody could derive string theory from this set. >>> Then we might say that the universe is an arithmetic construction. >>> Probably an absurd idea. >>> >>> >>> >>> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] >>> 12/24/2012 >>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >>> >>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>> From: Bruno Marchal >>> Receiver: everything-list >>> Time: 2012-12-23, 09:17:09 >>> Subject: Re: Can the physical brain possibly store our memories ? No. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22 Dec 2012, at 17:05, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Bruno, >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Roger Clough wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> The infinite set of natural numbers is not stored on anything, >>> >>> >>> Which causes no problem because there is not a infinite number of >>> anything >>> in the observable universe, probably not even points in space. >>> >>> >>> >>> Perhaps, we don't know. >>> It causes no problem because natural numbers does not have to be stored a >>> priori. Only when universal machine want to use them. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Why do the natural numbers exist? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> We cannot know that. >>> >>> >>> Precisely, if you assume the natural numbers, you can prove that you >>> cannot derived the existence of the natural number and their + and * >>> laws, >>> in *any* theory which does not assume them, or does not assume something >>> equivalent. >>> >>> >>> That is why it is a good reason to start with them (or equivalent). >>> >>> >>> Somehow, the natural numbers, with addition and multiplication, are >>> necessarily "mysterious". >>> >>> >>> With the natural numbers and + and *, you can prove the existence of all >>> universal machines, and vice versa, if you assume any other universal >>> system >>> (like the combinators K, S (K K), (K S), ...) you can prove the existence >>> of >>> the natural numbers and their laws. >>> >>> >>> We have to assume at least one universal system, and I chose arithmetic >>> because it is the simpler one. The problem is that the proof of its >>> universality will be difficult, but at least it can be found in good >>> mathematical logic textbook, like Mendelson or Kleene, etc. >>> >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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