On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:41 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 1/10/2013 11:31 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:27 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On 1/10/2013 6:20 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
>> I have never understood what it means to be atheist. Sometimes it appears
>> to mean existentialist "not Christian god", another appearance is "not
>> organized religion", which both appear reasonable.
>> Intuitively however, I've always asked myself: "what are they talking
>> about?" as we're all invested in beliefs or working hypothesis (whatever
>> you wanna call these structures primitively) of one sort or another.
>> Physical, scientific, mystical, mathematical, computational, financial,
>> political, biological, creative, group solidarity + individualism spectrum,
>> and yes also beer, drugs, shopping attitudes etc. are all areas where you
>> limit or enable mucking about with core assumptions, either skeptically
>> distant or suspending disbelief, to avoid hell or approach some utopia in
>> Implied by every thought operation, every action, we at a certain point
>> take a leap of faith, we bet on some belief, deity, working hypothesis.
>> I don't see how an agent can act or decide without this, which is why I
>> can't understand the proposition that entity exists without belief in
>> something that transcends them, that they want or wish to avoid. Ok, you
>> can blame me for not differentiating between absolutely static belief and
>> work-in-progress working hypothesis, fine. But the result still is that
>> some force of propositions have convinced or forced us to invest in them.
>> I should maybe speak to more atheists to get it perhaps, or maybe
>> somebody here can point me towards a flaw to get what people mean with
>> "atheist". Oddly, I often find the same "this I take for granted attitude,
>> that anything else makes me smile condescendingly", that even keeps me from
>> bringing it up.
>> Do you know what "theist" means?
> If you could clarify your question, why you ask, it would be easier.
> That is so broad: what does anything mean in some absolute sense, or are
> you playing some specific frame?
> That broadly though:
> Greek root theos, so god/transcendental principle + ism, implying a more
> or less flexible belief, held by adherents. Whether anthropomorphic,
> interactive, or any other feature of deity in question, the term is used in
> more or less broad terms to denote belief it one or more supreme beings.
> And yes you could differentiate endlessly here... but to what end?
> Then you know what "atheist" means "... to denote nonbelief in one or
Which entails believing in one or more other things selectively or
believing non-belief. Either way, I "grasp intuitively what people mean",
but it is far from clear to me because of this.
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