On Saturday, January 19, 2013 6:22:38 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
> Hi Craig Weinberg
> Many are called, but few are chosen.
You mean many are called in error by an omnipotent-yet-incompetent God, or
that they are intentionally called and abandoned by a
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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> Time: 2013-01-18, 17:31:03
> Subject: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy
> The reasoning we can use to justify God's ways to man are identical to
> those we could use to justify the idea that Satan is actually the creator
> of the universe, and just uses the fiction of God to further torment and
> tyrannize man. If I were the Devil, I would dictate the bible exactly as it
> is, full of contradiction and irrelevant genealogy, sprinkled some profound
> wisdom and lurid violence.
> But alas, the Bible is just a book pieced together from scraps and
> re-written over centuries. Shakespeare was a better writer. Billions of
> people will live their whole lives without ever reading it, and their lives
> will be no worse for the loss. The bible is creepy if you ask me. It is no
> On Friday, January 18, 2013 4:19:47 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
> A God-limited God - My Theodicy
> A theodicy is a justification of God's ways to man.
> This is my theodicy, based on the Bible and
> reason. Comments appreciated.
> Most of the so-called "contradictions" in the Bible,
> such as a loving God lashing out at sinners,
> practically committing genocide, or a loving God
> allowing tsunamis to happen, or a loving God allowing
> evil and suffering in this world, can be attributed
> to a misunderstanding of God's true nature.
> For reason, as well as the Bible, indicate that God has
> willingly limited his possible actions in this world
> to accord with his own pre-existing righteousness as well as
> the pre-existing truths of necessary reason.
> Thus that Christ had to die on the cross, instead of having the
> sins of mankind simply forgiven by God, can be justified
> by God's righteousness. That is, even God must obey
> his own justice.
> Similarly, God must obey the physics of his creation.
> Physical disasters happen. God can't make 2+2 =5.
> God lets the rain fall on the just as well as the unjust.
> And God has given man free will, so that men can
> do evil as well as good.
> Although God has unlimited power in the kingdom of Heaven,
> in this imperfect, contingent world he has had to limit his
> powers of action.
> - Roger Clough
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