On Sunday, January 20, 2013 3:06:07 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > They don't make sense to you but they do make > make sense to me. Could it be that you are a low > information, low understanding person ? >
You can say that it makes sense to you, but I think that you just want it to make sense. I don't know that it makes you any kind of person or not, but I try not to draw conclusions about people based on the collection of ideas which they happen to have inherited. > > > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > *From:* Craig Weinberg <javascript:> > *Receiver:* everything-list <javascript:> > *Time:* 2013-01-20, 15:00:34 > *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy > > > > On Sunday, January 20, 2013 2:43:42 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >> >> Hi Craig Weinberg >> >> So you belong to the liberal thought police then. >> > > Haha of course. How could it be possible for anyone to see the > contradiction of the concept of God without 'belonging to the liberal > thought police'? > > Not only can one not have freedom of speech, one cannot >> have freedom of beliefs. Liberalism is fascism, it seems. >> > > You are welcome to your beliefs, I am just explaining to you why they > don't seem to make sense. I could decide that you just belong to the > conservative apologists for irrationality but I don't see how that adds to > my case. Conservatism may well be fascism, but I don't see what that could > possibly have to do one way or the other with the logical inconsistency of > a God who is functionally indistinguishable from Satan or randomness. > > >> >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> *From:* Craig Weinberg >> *Receiver:* everything-list >> *Time:* 2013-01-20, 14:18:16 >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy >> >> >> >> On Sunday, January 20, 2013 2:08:09 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >>> >>> Hi Craig Weinberg >>> >>> Then you believe that God exists. >>> That's a good start. >>> >> >> Can't I point out the absurdity of a belief without being accused of >> having it? >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>> *From:* Craig Weinberg >>> *Receiver:* everything-list >>> *Time:* 2013-01-19, 09:55:18 >>> *Subject:* Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, January 19, 2013 6:22:38 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Craig Weinberg >>>> >>>> Many are called, but few are chosen. >>>> >>> >>> You mean many are called in error by an omnipotent-yet-incompetent God, >>> or that they are intentionally called and abandoned by a >>> all-loving-yet-consistently-cruel-and-indifferent God? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] >>>> 1/19/2013 >>>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen >>>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>>> From: Craig Weinberg >>>> Receiver: everything-list >>>> Time: 2013-01-18, 17:31:03 >>>> Subject: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy >>>> >>>> >>>> The reasoning we can use to justify God's ways to man are identical to >>>> those we could use to justify the idea that Satan is actually the creator >>>> of the universe, and just uses the fiction of God to further torment and >>>> tyrannize man. If I were the Devil, I would dictate the bible exactly as >>>> it >>>> is, full of contradiction and irrelevant genealogy, sprinkled some >>>> profound >>>> wisdom and lurid violence. >>>> >>>> But alas, the Bible is just a book pieced together from scraps and >>>> re-written over centuries. Shakespeare was a better writer. Billions of >>>> people will live their whole lives without ever reading it, and their >>>> lives >>>> will be no worse for the loss. The bible is creepy if you ask me. It is no >>>> blessing. >>>> >>>> Craig >>>> >>>> On Friday, January 18, 2013 4:19:47 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >>>> A God-limited God - My Theodicy >>>> >>>> A theodicy is a justification of God's ways to man. >>>> This is my theodicy, based on the Bible and >>>> reason. Comments appreciated. >>>> >>>> Most of the so-called "contradictions" in the Bible, >>>> such as a loving God lashing out at sinners, >>>> practically committing genocide, or a loving God >>>> allowing tsunamis to happen, or a loving God allowing >>>> evil and suffering in this world, can be attributed >>>> to a misunderstanding of God's true nature. >>>> >>>> For reason, as well as the Bible, indicate that God has >>>> willingly limited his possible actions in this world >>>> to accord with his own pre-existing righteousness as well as >>>> the pre-existing truths of necessary reason. >>>> >>>> Thus that Christ had to die on the cross, instead of having the >>>> sins of mankind simply forgiven by God, can be justified >>>> by God's righteousness. That is, even God must obey >>>> his own justice. >>>> >>>> Similarly, God must obey the physics of his creation. >>>> Physical disasters happen. God can't make 2+2 =5. >>>> God lets the rain fall on the just as well as the unjust. >>>> >>>> And God has given man free will, so that men can >>>> do evil as well as good. >>>> >>>> Although God has unlimited power in the kingdom of Heaven, >>>> in this imperfect, contingent world he has had to limit his >>>> powers of action. >>>> >>>> >>>> - Roger Clough >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/2oOpYw773iUJ. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/sTqccu4P5KoJ. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/gdJXht6KYKUJ. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/KZUcYogq65wJ. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] <javascript:>. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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