On Sunday, January 20, 2013 3:06:07 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
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>  Hi Craig Weinberg 
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> They don't make sense to you but they do make
> make sense to me. Could it be that you are a low
> information, low understanding person ? 
>

You can say that it makes sense to you, but I think that you just want it 
to make sense. I don't know that it makes you any kind of person or not, 
but I try not to draw conclusions about people based on the collection of 
ideas which they happen to have inherited.
 

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> On Sunday, January 20, 2013 2:43:42 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: 
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>>  Hi Craig Weinberg 
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>> So you belong to the liberal thought police then.
>>
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> Haha of course.  How could it be possible for anyone to see the 
> contradiction of the concept of God without 'belonging to the liberal 
> thought police'?
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>  Not only can one not have freedom of speech, one cannot
>> have freedom of beliefs. Liberalism is fascism, it seems.
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> You are welcome to your beliefs, I am just explaining to you why they 
> don't seem to make sense. I could decide that you just belong to the 
> conservative apologists for irrationality but I don't see how that adds to 
> my case. Conservatism may well be fascism, but I don't see what that could 
> possibly have to do one way or the other with the logical inconsistency of 
> a God who is functionally indistinguishable from Satan or randomness.
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>> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy
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>> On Sunday, January 20, 2013 2:08:09 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: 
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>>>  Hi Craig Weinberg 
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>>> Then you believe that God exists. 
>>> That's a good start.
>>>
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>> Can't I point out the absurdity of a belief without being accused of 
>> having it?
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>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy
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>>> On Saturday, January 19, 2013 6:22:38 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: 
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>>>> Hi Craig Weinberg   
>>>>
>>>> Many are called, but few are chosen. 
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>>> You mean many are called in error by an omnipotent-yet-incompetent God, 
>>> or that they are intentionally called and abandoned by  a 
>>> all-loving-yet-consistently-cruel-and-indifferent God?
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>>>> [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net] 
>>>> 1/19/2013   
>>>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen 
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>>>> Subject: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy 
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>>>> The reasoning we can use to justify God's ways to man are identical to 
>>>> those we could use to justify the idea that Satan is actually the creator 
>>>> of the universe, and just uses the fiction of God to further torment and 
>>>> tyrannize man. If I were the Devil, I would dictate the bible exactly as 
>>>> it 
>>>> is, full of contradiction and irrelevant genealogy, sprinkled some 
>>>> profound 
>>>> wisdom and lurid violence. 
>>>>
>>>> But alas, the Bible is just a book pieced together from scraps and 
>>>> re-written over centuries. Shakespeare was a better writer. Billions of 
>>>> people will live their whole lives without ever reading it, and their 
>>>> lives 
>>>> will be no worse for the loss. The bible is creepy if you ask me. It is no 
>>>> blessing. 
>>>>
>>>> Craig 
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, January 18, 2013 4:19:47 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: 
>>>> A God-limited God - My Theodicy   
>>>>
>>>> A theodicy is a justification of God's ways to man.   
>>>> This is my theodicy, based on the Bible and   
>>>> reason. Comments appreciated.   
>>>>
>>>> Most of the so-called "contradictions" in the Bible,   
>>>> such as a loving God lashing out at sinners,   
>>>> practically committing genocide, or a loving God   
>>>> allowing tsunamis to happen, or a loving God allowing   
>>>> evil and suffering in this world, can be attributed   
>>>> to a misunderstanding of God's true nature.   
>>>>
>>>> For reason, as well as the Bible, indicate that God has   
>>>> willingly limited his possible actions in this world   
>>>> to accord with his own pre-existing righteousness as well as   
>>>> the pre-existing truths of necessary reason.   
>>>>
>>>> Thus that Christ had to die on the cross, instead of having the   
>>>> sins of mankind simply forgiven by God, can be justified   
>>>> by God's righteousness. That is, even God must obey     
>>>> his own justice.   
>>>>
>>>> Similarly, God must obey the physics of his creation.   
>>>> Physical disasters happen. God can't make 2+2 =5.   
>>>> God lets the rain fall on the just as well as the unjust.   
>>>>
>>>> And God has given man free will, so that men can   
>>>> do evil as well as good.   
>>>>
>>>> Although God has unlimited power in the kingdom of Heaven,   
>>>> in this imperfect, contingent world he has had to limit his   
>>>> powers of action.   
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Roger Clough   
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