On Sunday, January 20, 2013 2:08:09 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
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>  Hi Craig Weinberg 
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> Then you believe that God exists. 
> That's a good start.
>

Can't I point out the absurdity of a belief without being accused of having 
it?

 

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> *Subject:* Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy
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> On Saturday, January 19, 2013 6:22:38 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: 
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>> Hi Craig Weinberg   
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>> Many are called, but few are chosen. 
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> You mean many are called in error by an omnipotent-yet-incompetent God, or 
> that they are intentionally called and abandoned by  a 
> all-loving-yet-consistently-cruel-and-indifferent God?
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>> [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net] 
>> 1/19/2013   
>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen 
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>> Subject: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy 
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>> The reasoning we can use to justify God's ways to man are identical to 
>> those we could use to justify the idea that Satan is actually the creator 
>> of the universe, and just uses the fiction of God to further torment and 
>> tyrannize man. If I were the Devil, I would dictate the bible exactly as it 
>> is, full of contradiction and irrelevant genealogy, sprinkled some profound 
>> wisdom and lurid violence. 
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>> But alas, the Bible is just a book pieced together from scraps and 
>> re-written over centuries. Shakespeare was a better writer. Billions of 
>> people will live their whole lives without ever reading it, and their lives 
>> will be no worse for the loss. The bible is creepy if you ask me. It is no 
>> blessing. 
>>
>> Craig 
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>> On Friday, January 18, 2013 4:19:47 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: 
>> A God-limited God - My Theodicy   
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>> A theodicy is a justification of God's ways to man.   
>> This is my theodicy, based on the Bible and   
>> reason. Comments appreciated.   
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>> Most of the so-called "contradictions" in the Bible,   
>> such as a loving God lashing out at sinners,   
>> practically committing genocide, or a loving God   
>> allowing tsunamis to happen, or a loving God allowing   
>> evil and suffering in this world, can be attributed   
>> to a misunderstanding of God's true nature.   
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>> For reason, as well as the Bible, indicate that God has   
>> willingly limited his possible actions in this world   
>> to accord with his own pre-existing righteousness as well as   
>> the pre-existing truths of necessary reason.   
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>> Thus that Christ had to die on the cross, instead of having the   
>> sins of mankind simply forgiven by God, can be justified   
>> by God's righteousness. That is, even God must obey     
>> his own justice.   
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>> Similarly, God must obey the physics of his creation.   
>> Physical disasters happen. God can't make 2+2 =5.   
>> God lets the rain fall on the just as well as the unjust.   
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>> And God has given man free will, so that men can   
>> do evil as well as good.   
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>> Although God has unlimited power in the kingdom of Heaven,   
>> in this imperfect, contingent world he has had to limit his   
>> powers of action.   
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>> - Roger Clough   
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