On Sunday, January 20, 2013 2:08:09 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > Then you believe that God exists. > That's a good start. >
Can't I point out the absurdity of a belief without being accused of having it? > > > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > *From:* Craig Weinberg <javascript:> > *Receiver:* everything-list <javascript:> > *Time:* 2013-01-19, 09:55:18 > *Subject:* Re: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy > > > > On Saturday, January 19, 2013 6:22:38 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >> >> Hi Craig Weinberg >> >> Many are called, but few are chosen. >> > > You mean many are called in error by an omnipotent-yet-incompetent God, or > that they are intentionally called and abandoned by a > all-loving-yet-consistently-cruel-and-indifferent God? > > >> >> [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] >> 1/19/2013 >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> From: Craig Weinberg >> Receiver: everything-list >> Time: 2013-01-18, 17:31:03 >> Subject: Re: A God-limited God - My Theodicy >> >> >> The reasoning we can use to justify God's ways to man are identical to >> those we could use to justify the idea that Satan is actually the creator >> of the universe, and just uses the fiction of God to further torment and >> tyrannize man. If I were the Devil, I would dictate the bible exactly as it >> is, full of contradiction and irrelevant genealogy, sprinkled some profound >> wisdom and lurid violence. >> >> But alas, the Bible is just a book pieced together from scraps and >> re-written over centuries. Shakespeare was a better writer. Billions of >> people will live their whole lives without ever reading it, and their lives >> will be no worse for the loss. The bible is creepy if you ask me. It is no >> blessing. >> >> Craig >> >> On Friday, January 18, 2013 4:19:47 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >> A God-limited God - My Theodicy >> >> A theodicy is a justification of God's ways to man. >> This is my theodicy, based on the Bible and >> reason. Comments appreciated. >> >> Most of the so-called "contradictions" in the Bible, >> such as a loving God lashing out at sinners, >> practically committing genocide, or a loving God >> allowing tsunamis to happen, or a loving God allowing >> evil and suffering in this world, can be attributed >> to a misunderstanding of God's true nature. >> >> For reason, as well as the Bible, indicate that God has >> willingly limited his possible actions in this world >> to accord with his own pre-existing righteousness as well as >> the pre-existing truths of necessary reason. >> >> Thus that Christ had to die on the cross, instead of having the >> sins of mankind simply forgiven by God, can be justified >> by God's righteousness. That is, even God must obey >> his own justice. >> >> Similarly, God must obey the physics of his creation. >> Physical disasters happen. God can't make 2+2 =5. >> God lets the rain fall on the just as well as the unjust. >> >> And God has given man free will, so that men can >> do evil as well as good. >> >> Although God has unlimited power in the kingdom of Heaven, >> in this imperfect, contingent world he has had to limit his >> powers of action. >> >> >> - Roger Clough >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/2oOpYw773iUJ. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/sTqccu4P5KoJ. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] <javascript:>. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/gdJXht6KYKUJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
