On 27 Jan 2013, at 13:44, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
On 25 Jan 2013, at 16:41, Roger Clough wrote:
I think that meditation is a way of cutting out the
links of consciousness to the noise of the brain,
suggesting that Cs is not a product of the brain,
rather the reverse. It lets us experience Cs
as it really is, cosmic, free of the brain.
OK. Note that there are other methods with less bad secondary effect
than meditation or wine.
What are the bad secondary effects of meditation?
That's a big subject as it depends on the many technics. The usual
lead often to problem in knees, back, neck, due to prolonged
immobility. Personally I lost sight or get blurred visions, as I got a
too much big eyes' muscles relaxation (the main reason I stopped).
Those experiences are not concluding, in the public sense, but are
part of the research and they *can* be integrated in different
scientific (thus hypothetical) theories.
Could you say more about those experiences?
Well Charles Tart, if I remember well, talked about some persons able
to leave the body, and capable of reading some text that he has hide
somewhere before. But none of those experiences have been reproduced
with anything like genuine statistical evidences.
Yet there are plenty of doctor witnesses which asserts that in their
career they have known case of people capable of describing happenings
during the operation, when they were either under anesthetic or close
to death. It is hard to test or to refute. It is easy to dismiss also.
Note this would not be more a threat for some materialist beliefs than
comp already is, but with respect to comp, it might add to the
evidences that our substitution level might be lower than
neurophilosophers think.
I am agnostic on all this.
Bruno
Rigor consists simply in keeping the interrogation marks.
Bruno
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