On Tuesday, February 5, 2013 12:51:10 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 05 Feb 2013, at 18:10, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2013/2/5 Bruno Marchal <[email protected] <javascript:>> > >> >> On 05 Feb 2013, at 14:34, Roger Clough wrote: >> >> Hi meekerdb >> >> >> There's nothing wrong with science as science. >> But a problem arises when you apply the results to theology. >> >> Two completely different worlds. >> >> >> That's indeed a point where string atheists agree with string christian. >> Let us try to be not serious on theology, so we can assert the fairy tales. >> Strong Christian are happy because they feel like they can contradict the >> scientific evidences, and the atheists are happy so they can continue to >> mock the christians, and continue to sleep on their own (materialist) dogma. >> > > You put meaning in atheism which is not there... an atheist can perfectly > be an idealist... materialism is not part of the definition of atheism. > > > Definition here are often contradictory. Some years ago, the definition > keep changing. > > Can you give me the name of an atheist who is idealist? >
I would consider Sam Harris and Daniel Dennet idealists, in the sense that the ideal is reduced to function rather than a material. Craig > > Bruno > > > > > Quentin > >> >> That does not give much place for the genuine inquiry, I think. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> *From:* meekerdb <javascript:> >> *Receiver:* everything-list <javascript:> >> *Time:* 2013-02-04, 13:48:50 >> *Subject:* Re: Topical combination >> >> On 2/4/2013 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 03 Feb 2013, at 12:30, Roger Clough wrote: >> >> Hi John Mikes >> � >> It says >> � >> "The Fabric of Eternity is the author's personal view of the Universe >> that allows for science and theology to explore the wonders of creation in >> peaceful unison.' >> � >> IMHO that is completely misguided, because the worlds they understand燼re >> separate magisteria, to use� >> Stephan Jay Gould's phrase.� Science deals with the physical world, and >> theology deals with >> the nonphysical world. >> >> >> Only an Aristotelian can say "science deals with the physical world". >> This sums up physicalism. >> >> A Platonist says that science is just the modest tool/method to deal with >> any subject. >> >> >> Except it was Plato who thought he could understand the world by just >> thinking about it, while it was Aristotle who went out to observe and let >> the world teach him.� So who was modest and who was arrogant? >> >> Brent >> >> Allowing the abandon of science in the theological field can only be an >> invitation to the bad faith in there, and to the "don't ask" mentality. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________ >> *DreamMail* - The first mail software supporting source tracking >> www.dreammail.org >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > > -- > All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
