On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]>wrote:

> People can pretend to be asleep or anesthetized or dead also.
>

True.


> > In that case, the criteria of behaving intelligently would not help you
> determine whether they have a mind or not.
>

 Also true. The Turing Test is not perfect, it is however the only tool
we've got.

> Evolution assumes life and consciousness, it is not a theory of the
> origin of either.
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As I said on January 24:

"Darwin can't even explain how life first came to be on this planet, but
once bacteria came to be he can explain how humans evolved from them, and
that's a pretty good accomplishment."

And if intelligence came from Evolution and if at least one of those
intelligent beings is conscious then it follows that consciousness MUST be
a byproduct of intelligence and is just the way data feels like when it is
being processed.

> If computers are conscious then we are monsters for enslaving them, are
> we not?
>

Don't worry about us enslaving computers because enslaving something much
smarter than you is not a stable state of affairs, it would be like
balancing a pencil on its tip, it won't stay that way for more than a few
million nanoseconds. On the other hand computers could enslave us if they
wanted to, although I doubt they'd think we'd be good slaves.

  John K Clark










> Even horses don't get thrown into a recycling bin just because we buy a
> new one.
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> Craig
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>>   John K Clark
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