On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> wrote:
>> We need to agree on terminology if we're going to have a discussion at >> all. Have aliens visited the Earth? We need to agree that an "alien" >> is a being born on another planet. It doesn't mean we agree on the >> facts, but we need to at least speak the same language! > > > I'm not opposed to agreeing on terminology, but that means we both agree, > not that I agree to your terms. I'll agree on your terms, but you have to make it explicit. >> So, do you believe that it possible that an entity which is >> deterministic from a third person perspective could be conscious, or >> do you believe that an entity which is deterministic from a third >> person perspective could not possibly be conscious? > > > Yes, I think all deterministic looking systems represent sensory-motor > participation of some kind, but not necessarily on the level that we assume. > What we see as a cloud may have sensory-motor participation as droplets of > water molecules, and as a wisp in the atmosphere as a whole, but not at all > as a coherent cloud that we perceive. The cloud is a human scale emblem, not > the native entity. The native awareness may reside in a much faster or much > slower frequency range or sample rate than our own, so there is little hope > of our relating to it personally. It's like Flatland only with perceptual > relativity rather than quant dimension. I'm not completely sure but I think you've just said the brain could be deterministic and still be conscious. > This is also why computers are not conscious. The native entity is > microelectronic or geological, not mechanical. The machine as a whole is > again an emblem, not an organic, self-invested whole. I don't understand what you think the fundamental difference is between a brain, a cloud and a computer. -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
