On 3/19/2013 11:24 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 19.03.2013 19:17 Craig Weinberg said the following:



On Tuesday, March 19, 2013 1:38:21 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Craig Weinberg
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Intimate relation is not causality. The stock market has been
famously been related to skirt lengths


If when skirt lengths changed there was ALWAYS a change in the
stock market in the same direction, and when the stock market
changed there was ALWAYS a change in skirt lengths that preceded it
then its true, changing the length of skirts DOES cause a change in
the stock market; and if humans don't understand how a connection
between the two could possibly work that's just too bad, it
wouldn't make it any less true.

And if all of that were true then dress designers would be the
richest people the world has ever seen. They're not.


I already went through this with you with the vanilla ice cream
example. Correlation, even 100% correlation, does not equal
causation. Two unrelated systems can both be related to a third, and
I think that must be the case with neurological activity and
subjective experience, where the third and fundamental system is
sensory-motor capacity, or sense, from which the private and public
subsystems are derived.


In a way everything is just regularities.

That's not where the "laws of nature" come from. We make up the "laws of nature" so they are consistent with the regularities we've observed. But the "laws" have to go beyond just encoding the know regularities, they have to have predictive and explanatory power. Otherwise they no better than a data list.

Brent

For example a good short talk in this respect

Where do the Laws of Nature Come From? (Bas van Fraassen)
http://www.closertotruth.com/video-profile/Where-do-the-Laws-of-Nature-Come-From-Bas-van-Fraassen-/1372

Evgenii


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