On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:26 AM, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote:
> Stathis wrote: > *"I also have a very simple and straightforward idea of free will: I > exercise my free will when I make a choice without being coerced...."* > * > * > And how do you know that you are *not* coerced? your mind works on both > conscious and (sub-? un-? beyond-?) conscious arguments that 'influence' > (nicer, than 'coerced') your decisive process. Then again you may decide > to > 'will' against your best (or not-so-best?) interest - for some reason. You > even > may misunderstand circumstances and use them wrongly. > All such (and another 1000) may influence (coerce??) your free decision. > Continuing your sentence: > I'm not coerced when I don't think I am coerced. Obviously, all my actions are due to subconscious influences, namely, the biochemistry of my brain, of which I am unaware. > * "...I never said that the laws of physics deny the possibility of free > will, > but free will is impossible if you define it in such a way as to be > incompatible with the laws of physics or even with logic."* > * > * > The "Laws" of physics are our deduction from the so far observed incomplete > circumstances - they don't "allow" or "deny" - maybe explain at the level > of their > compatibility. The "impossibility" of free will is not a no-no, unless it > has been > proven to be an existing(?) FACT (what I do not believe in). > Logic is the ultimate human pretension, especially if not said 'what kind > of'. > In order to decide if free will exists the first thing is to understand what is meant by the term. If it means "I choose to do what I want I do" then free will exists. If it means something else such as "neither determined nor random" then it doesn't exist. -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
