On Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:10:45 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:26 AM, John Mikes <[email protected]<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> Stathis wrote: >> *"I also have a very simple and straightforward idea of free will: I >> exercise my free will when I make a choice without being coerced...."* >> * >> * >> And how do you know that you are *not* coerced? your mind works on both >> conscious and (sub-? un-? beyond-?) conscious arguments that 'influence' >> (nicer, than 'coerced') your decisive process. Then again you may decide >> to >> 'will' against your best (or not-so-best?) interest - for some reason. >> You even >> may misunderstand circumstances and use them wrongly. >> All such (and another 1000) may influence (coerce??) your free decision. >> Continuing your sentence: >> > > I'm not coerced when I don't think I am coerced. Obviously, all my actions > are due to subconscious influences, namely, the biochemistry of my brain, > of which I am unaware. >
Why are all of your actions "obviously" due to subconscious influences? If that were the case why would personal awareness exist? > > >> * "...I never said that the laws of physics deny the possibility of free >> will, >> but free will is impossible if you define it in such a way as to be >> incompatible with the laws of physics or even with logic."* >> * >> * >> The "Laws" of physics are our deduction from the so far observed >> incomplete >> circumstances - they don't "allow" or "deny" - maybe explain at the level >> of their >> compatibility. The "impossibility" of free will is not a no-no, unless it >> has been >> proven to be an existing(?) FACT (what I do not believe in). >> Logic is the ultimate human pretension, especially if not said 'what kind >> of'. >> > > In order to decide if free will exists the first thing is to understand > what is meant by the term. If it means "I choose to do what I want I do" > then free will exists. If it means something else such as "neither > determined nor random" then it doesn't exist. > What do you claim is the difference between choosing to do what you want to do and acting as a physical phenomenon which is intentional rather than unintentional (determined or random)? Craig > > > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
