On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 6:20:42 PM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: > > Evolutionary psychology are falsable because there are psychological > experiments that can be designed to falsaify them. There a lot of them in > the literature. All of them are standard methods in psychology. Evolution > here is only the theoretical framework that allows to formulaate > psychological hypothesis. Then it is tested like any other psychological > hypothesis. > > There are interviews. respose time measurements . Card tests. Statstical > analysis. Crooss culture studies.etc. while other methods are specific like > game theory. Computer simulations Hunter'gatherer studies Etc. There is a > experimental test of an hypothesized instintive mechanism for pumishmemt of > free riders and another for giving advantages to collaboorators by Price > Cosmides. And Toby refered in my article. You can take a look at it. >
I agree that the evolutionary aspect is falsifiable, I just think that the link to psychology is always a fictional inference which is self-validating. We might see a meaningful pattern of behavior in individuals and societies, but seeing that pattern from the outside leads to impose a mechanical view onto subjective experiences, which we should know are driven by aesthetic and intentional considerations as well as survival and reproduction. Craig > By the way mi article suggest various experimental tests > El 16/04/2013 22:42, "Craig Weinberg" <[email protected] <javascript:>> > escribió: > >> >> >> On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 3:26:11 PM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: >>> >>> It depends on the circunstances'. If you read the article i guess that >>> you will agree. But the thesis is that these moral intuitions are erroneous >>> in modern societies and have a strong bias against succeesful people in any >>> circunstance because these moral evaluations evolved in small tribal >>> societies where everyone knew the merits of everyone else in detail >>> >> >> Evolutionary psychology is unfalsifiable, and in this case I think >> plainly used for an ideological purpose. By erroneously framing the concept >> of social justice as rooted in envy to begin with, and then applying this >> pseudo-scientific validation of that error, the point is to say "Liberals >> are just jealous, and that's because they carry an evolutionary defect." >> >> What about all of the people who think that imperialism and aristocratic >> totalitarianism are perfectly fine? How did they escape this selection >> pressure? >> >> Craig >> >> >>> El 16/04/2013 20:48, "Craig Weinberg" <[email protected]> escribió: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:44:57 PM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Sucessful in this context is someone that is in better conditions to >>>>> have offspring whatever the means. This describes how the moral >>>>> intuitions >>>>> -like yours- are ellaborated in order to punish them. >>>>> >>>> I don't think that it is punishment to protect civilization from >>>> unchecked exploitation. Think of it as crime prevention after the fact. >>>> It's not about envy, it is about reducing threats to the common good. >>>> >>>> Craig >>>> >>>> >>>>> El 15/04/2013 14:10, "Craig Weinberg" <[email protected]> escribió: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Monday, April 15, 2013 5:56:31 AM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> This is thread is completely off-topic, but anyway: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> The evolutionary roots of envy and social justice: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> http://www.scribd.com/doc/**9389**0864/Punitive-sentiment-**agains* >>>>> *t-successful-**individuals-as-a-****psychological-device-for-anti-*** >>>>> *hidden-free-riders-in-**ancestra**l-hunter-gatherers<http://www.scribd.com/doc/93890864/Punitive-sentiment-against-successful-individuals-as-a-psychological-device-for-anti-hidden-free-riders-in-ancestral-hunter-gatherers> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > What is "successful" about an heir to a dynastic fortune or the >>>>> beneficiary of some arbitrary condition of exploitation? >>>>> > >>>>> > Craig >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> 2013/4/14 Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Sunday, April 14, 2013 7:56:35 AM UTC-4, Roger Clough wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> One of the great mysteries of liberalism >>>>> >>>> is the contradiction in its political stance >>>>> >>>> concerning rich corporations. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> On the one hand, it rejects the attempts of conservatives >>>>> >>>> to lower corporate taxes. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Liberals see that wealth inequality is a critically important >>>>> issue in the US. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> “For every one dollar of assets owned by a single black or >>>>> Hispanic woman, a member of the Forbes 400 has over forty million >>>>> dollars.” >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> America Split in Two: Five Ugly Extremes of Inequality >>>>> http://truth-out.org/**buzzflash**/commentary/item/**17878-** >>>>> america-split-in-two-**five-**ugly-extremes-of-**inequality<http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/17878-america-split-in-two-five-ugly-extremes-of-inequality> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> But on the other hand, it >>>>> >>>> will bail out rich corporations such as General Motors >>>>> >>>> to prevent their failure. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Whoever is in power is going to support big bailouts, as the >>>>> conservatives proved in 2004 when they supported TARP. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> "Nearly half of Americans incorrectly think President Obama >>>>> started the the bank bailout program, otherwise known as the Troubled >>>>> Asset >>>>> Relief Program (TARP), a new poll shows. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Just 34 percent of Americans surveyed by the Pew Research Center >>>>> correctly said that TARP was enacted by the Bush administration. Almost >>>>> half -- 47 percent -- think Mr. Obama started the bank bailout, according >>>>> to the survey, conducted July 1-5. There was no partisan divide on the >>>>> issue." - http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-**50**3544_162-20013452-503544.* >>>>> *html <http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20013452-503544.html> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Craig >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> How's that again ? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 4/14/2013 >>>>> >>>> http://team.academia.edu/**Roger**Clough<http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> -- >>>>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>> send an email to everything-li...@googlegroups.****com. >>>>> >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group** >>>>> /everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>>>> . >>>>> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**grou** >>>>> ps/opt_out <https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out>. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> Alberto. >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>> send an email to everything-li...@**googlegroups.**com. >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.**com. >>>>> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group** >>>>> /everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>>>> . >>>>> > For more options, visit >>>>> > https://groups.google.com/**grou**ps/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>>>> . >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to everything-li...@**googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.**com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>>> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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