On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 7:05 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > On 5/12/2013 9:00 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > If your mom ate something different while pregnant with you, such that you > developed with different atoms, does that mean someone else would have been > born in your place and you wouldn't be conscious? Or if one unexpressed > gene was different, would it be someone other than you looking through those > eyes? What if one gene were different, but it was of little consequence, or > what if multiple genes were different, etc. How much of the circumstances > would have to change for you to never have been born? If you admit that > different matter or different genes would not make it such that you were > never born, then are you not all your siblings as well? > > > That doesn't follow. The most common theory of why you are you is that the > structure of your brain and body encode computations that are peculiar to > you. You are determined by the structure that effects these computations. > This is independent of the particular atoms and molecules and even a lot of > the structure. As Bruno puts it, it depends on the level of substitution. > Just because there is a level, e.g. atoms, that makes no difference, it > doesn't follow that there is not a difference at another level.
It's hard to have this discussion with a single word for "you". 1p-you and 3p-you might make it easier. The 3p-you is characterised by a number of physical processes that we more or less understand. For example, if I fall and lose a bit of skin from my knee that won't change much, but there is possible a relatively small set of neurons that can be changed to alter my personality. But the idea that the 1p-you is determined at a substitution level seems silly to me (unless we can find some fundamental process by which the 1p arises). Otherwise, I find it easier to believe that there is only one 1p conscious entity that gets instantiated on everyone (and possible everything), at all times, in all possible universes. Telmo. > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.