Hi Richard, On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> wrote: > This list appears to support MWI in which every wave function and its > associated particle becomes physical but in a differing parallel world or > universe. So from a 3p perspective, everything is predetermined and from > what I can tell from a 1p perspective there is only the illusion of > consciousness and free will.
That is the only possibility to begin with, MWI or not. Looking from outside the system, we will never appear to have free will. But we can't go live outside the system nor can we look from there, because we are part of the system. > I contend that in such a case, there is no need > for a morality or a soul. If by soul you mean consciousness, I don't doubt it's existence because I experience it directly, not because I think there's a need for it. I think morality is a group-level evolutionary advantage. Cheers Telmo. > > On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 5:08 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From an ancient Simpsons, from Homer to Bart: what is mind? Never matter. >> What is matter? Never mind. I will hold with Chalmers, on this one. That it >> is the hard problem. Perhaps like the pure materialists love to say, the >> mind is merely an epiphenomenon, of the human brain. Ok, but I ask, does the >> epiphenomenon, have a soul? ;-) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> >> To: everything-list <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thu, May 16, 2013 3:32 pm >> Subject: Re: The Leibniz-Taoist solution: Matter is mind, mind is matter >> >> This reminds me of Isaac Asimov's 1, 2, 3, infinity >> >> >> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> The Leibniz-Taoist solution: Matter is mind, mind is matter >> >> According to the Dao de jing, the solution to the mind-brain problem is >> that it is not a problem. >> >> Matter is mind, mind is matter is one way of saying it. >> >> Leibniz said the same, that monads are expressions of material bodies. >> >> The physical is the nonphysical, the nonphysical is the physical is >> another way. >> According to modern physics, matter or spacetime emerges from >> the nonphysical. >> >> This was expressed long, long ago in the Dao de jing, >> >> According to Legge's translations of chapter 42, the Tao Te Ching: >> >> http://www.yellowbridge.com/onlinelit/daodejing42.php >> >> "The Dao produced One; One produced Two; Two produced Three; >> Three produced All things. >> >> Reason begets unity; unity begets duality; duality begets trinity; and tr >> inity begets the ten thousand things. >> >> Tao produces unity; unity produces duality; duality produces trinity; tri >> nity produces all things." >> >> >> >> >> Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 5/16/2013 >> See my Leibniz site at >> http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
