On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:30:24 AM UTC+10, Brent wrote: > On 7/16/2013 5:16 PM, Pierz wrote: > > > I pretty much agree with you Jason. The materialist > simply posits that the conciousness of a person (or conscious > being) represents a static track through the 4d block universe, > misperceived as changing due to something about the way the brain > processes. What this account fails to explain however is the > moment "now", or rather why I am at this moment now rather than > another or all at once. This is the same as saying that it fails > to account for subjectivity, because from a purely objective point > of view -ie one that does not take into account any observer's > experience - there is no problem. From outside of the experience > of any individual observer, there are just bodies moving/behaving > in space-time. Materialists/scientists are so accustomed to seeing > the world from this abstracted perspective that they don't see any > particular problem with this elimination of the subject. But in > making this move, it has already removed consciousness from the > reality it attempts to explain. A true theory of everything would > need to explain the mysteries of I-ness (why am I me and not > someone else) and now-ness (why am I now rather than somewhen > else). > > > If consciousness, the > subjective qualia, is instantiated by some material process (e.g. > brain computation) then there is no more problem with "now" for a > conscious state than for a physical state.ï¿½ This physical > state instantiates this qualia and the next physical state > instantiates the next qualia.ï¿½ You may say it's a mystery, but if it > is then the occurrence of physical states is the same mystery. > > > > Brent
"Now" is a mystery in physics too - there is no marker pointing to the current moment other than the experience of some subject. You can ask why particle p has some position at time t and get an answer, but if you ask why the time is "now" t, you can only ever say "because it is". -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.