On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:30:24 AM UTC+10, Brent wrote:
> On 7/16/2013 5:16 PM, Pierz wrote:
>     I pretty much agree with you Jason. The materialist
>       simply posits that the conciousness of a person (or conscious
>       being) represents a static track through the 4d block universe,
>       misperceived as changing due to something about the way the brain
>       processes. What this account fails to explain however is the
>       moment "now", or rather why I am at this moment now rather than
>       another or all at once. This is the same as saying that it fails
>       to account for subjectivity, because from a purely objective point
>       of view -ie one that does not take into account any observer's
>       experience - there is no problem. From outside of the experience
>       of any individual observer, there are just bodies moving/behaving
>       in space-time. Materialists/scientists are so accustomed to seeing
>       the world from this abstracted perspective that they don't see any
>       particular problem with this elimination of the subject. But in
>       making this move, it has already removed consciousness from the
>       reality it attempts to explain. A true theory of everything would
>       need to explain the mysteries of I-ness (why am I me and not
>       someone else) and now-ness (why am I now rather than somewhen
>       else).
>     If consciousness, the
>       subjective qualia, is instantiated by some material process (e.g.
>       brain computation) then there is no more problem with "now" for a
>       conscious state than for a physical state.� This physical
>     state instantiates this qualia and the next physical state
>     instantiates the next qualia.� You may say it's a mystery, but if it
>     is then the occurrence of physical states is the same mystery.
>     Brent

"Now" is a mystery in physics too - there is no marker pointing to the current 
moment other than the experience of some subject. You can ask why particle p 
has some position at time t and get an answer, but if you ask why the time is 
"now" t, you can only ever say "because it is".

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