On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:30:24 AM UTC+10, Brent wrote:
> On 7/16/2013 5:16 PM, Pierz wrote:
> I pretty much agree with you Jason. The materialist
> simply posits that the conciousness of a person (or conscious
> being) represents a static track through the 4d block universe,
> misperceived as changing due to something about the way the brain
> processes. What this account fails to explain however is the
> moment "now", or rather why I am at this moment now rather than
> another or all at once. This is the same as saying that it fails
> to account for subjectivity, because from a purely objective point
> of view -ie one that does not take into account any observer's
> experience - there is no problem. From outside of the experience
> of any individual observer, there are just bodies moving/behaving
> in space-time. Materialists/scientists are so accustomed to seeing
> the world from this abstracted perspective that they don't see any
> particular problem with this elimination of the subject. But in
> making this move, it has already removed consciousness from the
> reality it attempts to explain. A true theory of everything would
> need to explain the mysteries of I-ness (why am I me and not
> someone else) and now-ness (why am I now rather than somewhen
> If consciousness, the
> subjective qualia, is instantiated by some material process (e.g.
> brain computation) then there is no more problem with "now" for a
> conscious state than for a physical state.ï¿½ This physical
> state instantiates this qualia and the next physical state
> instantiates the next qualia.ï¿½ You may say it's a mystery, but if it
> is then the occurrence of physical states is the same mystery.
"Now" is a mystery in physics too - there is no marker pointing to the current
moment other than the experience of some subject. You can ask why particle p
has some position at time t and get an answer, but if you ask why the time is
"now" t, you can only ever say "because it is".
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