On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:38 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >> > On 8/16/2013 1:25 PM, John Clark wrote: >> > >> > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> > the Turing test is a very specific instance of a "subsequent >> >> > behavior" >> >> > test. >> > >> > >> > Yes it's specific, to pass the Turing Test the machine must be >> > indistinguishable from a very specific type of human being, an >> > INTELLIGENT >> > one; no computer can quite do that yet although for a long time they've >> > been >> > able to be indistinguishable from a comatose human being. >> > >> >> >> >> > It's a hard goal, and it will surely help AI progress, but it's not, >> >> > in >> >> > my opinion, an ideal goal. >> > >> > >> > If the goal of Artificial Intelligence is not a machine that behaves >> > like a >> > Intelligent human being then what the hell is the goal? >> >> A machine that behaves like a intelligent human will be subject to >> emotions like boredom, jealousy, pride and so on. This might be fine >> for a companion machine, but I also dream of machines that can deliver >> us from the drudgery of survival. These machines will probably display >> a more alien form of intelligence. >> >> > >> > Make a machine that is more intelligent than humans. >> >> That's when things get really weird. >> > > I don't know. Any AI worth its salt would come up with three conclusions: > > 1) The humans want to weaponize me > 2) The humans will want to profit from my intelligence for short term gain, > irrespective of damage to our local environment > 3) Seems like they're not really going to let me negotiate my own contracts > or grant me IT support welfare > > That established, a plausible choice would be for it to hide, lie, and/or > pretend to be dumber than it is to not let 1) 2) 3) occur in hopes of > self-preservation. Something like: start some searches and generate code > that we wouldn't be able to decipher and soon enough some human would say > "Uhm, why are we funding this again?". > > I think what many want from AI is a servant that is more intelligent than we > are and I wouldn't know if this is self-defeating in the end. If it agrees > and complies with our disgusting self serving stupidity, then I'm not sure > we have AI in the sense "making a machine that is more intelligent than > humans". > > So depends on the human parents I guess and the outcome of some teenage > crises because of 1) 2) 3)... PGC
PGC, You are starting from the assumption that any intelligent entity is interested in self-preservation. I wonder if this drive isn't completely selected for by evolution. Would a human designed super-intelligent machine be necessarily interested in self-preservation? It could be better than us at figuring out how to achieve a desired future state without sharing human desires -- including the desire to keep existing. One idea I wonder about sometimes is AI-cracy: imagine we are ruled by an AI dictator that has one single desire: to make us all as happy as possible. >> >> Telmo. >> >> > Brent >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> > "Everything List" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> > an >> > email to [email protected]. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
