On 18 Sep 2013, at 22:07, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:14:21 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal
wrote:
Computers don't use symbols.
?
They use physics,
???
You have been less Aristotelian in some other posts.
If I build a computer out of gears, does it use physics? What
symbols does it use?
it will use physics, and the program which run will use some symbols,
for example painted numbers like on the difference engine by Babbage.
and the common physics of discrete objects has an arithmetic
universality which can be exploited. Computers don't care about
symbols though, or output formats.
Nor do brains, in that sense. Only person care on those things, but
brain and computer (body) are not person, but person's local vehicle.
We're on the same page there, but why call it computationalism and
focus on logic, when it is personalism and focus on participatory
aesthetics?
Because those things have to be related if we proceed in the comp
theory.
The big mystery is
how they become qualia.
That would be a mystery, but it is one that cannot have an answer.
In my understanding quanta only makes sense as a derived sampling
or 'accounting' of qualia. Objects are aesthetically impoverished
feelings.
OK, but then what can we do with "computer use physics". That
becomes circular, it seems to me.
Fair enough. People (really experiences, I don't assume all
experiences are self-ish experiences) use physics to compute.
OK. (for the human people).
Which leads me to a point where I can
definitely agree with you (if I understand you correctly): private
experiences have at least the same reality status as public
experiences. My main problem with your ideas is that I feel you throw
too much of the baby away with the (public) bath water.
I don't think there are any experiences which are public and not
private. There are experiences, and there are private experiences
in which other private experiences are re-presented as public form-
functions.
OK,
Cool
Craig
PS Curious if my posts on non-well-founded identity made any sense
to you...there's a new one:
http://multisenserealism.com/2013/09/18/pink-floyd-money/
http://multisenserealism.com/2013/09/16/non-well-founded-identity-principle/
As I explained sometimes ago to Stephen King, non-well-foundness
appears naturally, in many places in computer science, and so is very
interesting, but it does not need to be postulated.
Your posts on your blog are not really intelligible to me. Sorry.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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