On 30 Sep 2013, at 15:56, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Not exactly. And that depends on what we call as science. Many
called sciences are pure rubbish, while some other disciplines
outside of what is now called science are much more interesting. I´,
in favor of good science and good philosophy. I consider good
whatever knowledge endavour that is not in the hands of wishful
thinking. There are too much disciplines that call themselves
sciences, as well as others outside that are little more that
wishful thinking.
Good philosophers are scientists (the Greeks, Maudlin, etc.)
Good scientists are philosophers (Einstein, Gödel, etc.)
In my youth, the academical philosophy nearby was Marxist propaganda,
and today, my opponents ask philosophers to criticize the work by
authority, as they admit not seeing one flaw. This makes me think that
philosophy is the place where argument per authority are still
tolerated. This means that philosophy is a tool to imitate
institutionalized pseudo-religion.
But above the vocabulary, we might try to just understand each others.
Personally, I see science as the perpetual fight against prejudices
and any form of certainties. Science is just the attitude of being
able to doubt and change their mind, and that spirit can be applied in
any domain.
Many texts in human science can easily be transformed in authentic
good pieces of science, just by adding some interrogation marks.
Being a physicist, I consider all the stuff about determinism, QM
and so on extraordinarily interesting, but it has little to say
about the concept of free will that I´m interested in. On the
contrary, there are developments in evolution, evolutionary
psychology, category theory, game theory and computer science that
can say things interesting for the problems that interested to the
classical philosophers. All of these disciplines are non
reductionists, and can apply to all the levels of complexity.
We agree on this.
Bruno
2013/9/30 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
On 29 Sep 2013, at 11:58, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
I knew yesterday that the reason why Percival Lowel (and many
others) saw canals -and life- in Mars is because at this time the
Panama Canal was being constructed, and this novelty captivated the
imagination of the people. everithing had a solution with a canal.
And everything could be solved and explained with mechanics and
electricity, the technology that helped to construct the channel.
Therefore the Martians was an electric civilization that launched
electric discharges.
It is necessary to explain what I want to mean?. People throw in
novel technologies and theories whatever they have unexplained or
unsolved, but also their hopes.
But at the end of the day these solutions vomit back what was put in
with still new questions. The net effect is the rephrasing of the
ancient questions with a new language, passed trough the filter of
the solution that dominates the uthopic mind of the people. That
language, the one of the particular science that dominates the
landscape assures that the ancient questions are reduced to match
the particular aspect that can fit in the theory.
I personally prefer the original, naked questions as the first ones
that though about it, as they appeared in their mind, without the
filter of any theory.
I think that you are just saying that you prefer philosophy than
science. I have no problem, it is a question of taste.
In science we prefer precise theories, so that we have the means to
improve them or to abandon them.
Of course some scientists sometimes talk like if their theory were
true, but this means only they do bad philosophy and misunderstand
science.
Bruno
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