Externality is not detectable outside of consciousness. Which would make perfect sense if physics supervenes on consciousness (really sense). > If it were, we would not > be having these discussions: instead, we would wave the Consciousness > Detector over the computer and read out the result. So if > consciousness has top-down causal efficacy, that would mean an > undetectable force caused matter to move. No, it would mean nothing of the sort. Every force is detectable only through consciousness. There is no force outside of consciousness, no "charge" or "field". All of it is feeling and somewhat intentional effect. No matter how many times I say it, how many metaphors I use, you will never be able to see that the director of a movie need not be present within the movie projector to cause the movie to occur. Your view of the universe has no room for you to exist in it. It has no discernment between life and death, person or object. You would need a massive brain event to interrupt your left hemisphere long enough to guess that there is a whole other half of the universe that you are missing. > In experiments, that would > look like a magical or supernatural effect. If you don't like the > words "magical" or "supernatural" then use different words, but no > such strange effects have been observed. > Every effect that can ever be observed is a strange effect. You aren't getting that sense is Absolute. Craig > > > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.