On Monday, October 28, 2013 8:18:04 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > On 29 October 2013 01:12, John Mikes <jam...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > wrote: > > What do you call "ANY PHYSICS"? is there a "God given" marvel (like any > > other religious miracle to believe in) callable "PHYSICS"? I consider it > the > > explanation of certain phenomena (mostly with the help of math) at the > level > > of knowledge AT such time of explanation. It was different in 2500 BC, > in > > 1000 AD, last year and today. It is the explanation of figments we > develop > > upon recognizing VIEWS of phenomena partially absorbed/understood as > parts > > of a "PHYSICAL World". > > It all is adjusted to and within our limited capabilities of mind > > (consciousness???) > > Physics is what happens in the natural world due to natural processes. >
That sentence should win some kind of prize for containing the most logical fallacies. "Morality is what good people do, because of their goodness" > > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 12:43 AM, Stathis Papaioannou > > <stat...@gmail.com<javascript:>> > > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 28 October 2013 07:33, John Mikes <jam...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Allegedly Stathis wrote: > >>> If consciousness supervenes on neurochemistry then the brain will be > >>> different if the conscious state is different. Demonstrating that > there is a > >>> change in consciousness without a change in the brain, or a change in > the > >>> brain not explained by the physics, would be evidence of supernatural > >>> processes. > >>> > >>> I would not call it 'supernatural', rather: beyond our presently > >>> known/knowable. > >>> Are you so sure that (your?) neurochemistry is "all we can have"? The > >>> demonstration you refer to would only show that our view is partial > and > >>> whatever we call consciousness is something different from what's > going on > >>> indeed. Explained by physics? > >>> I consider "physix" the ingenious explanation of the figments we > perceive > >>> - at the level of such explanatory thinking. It changed from > time-period to > >>> time-period and is likely to change further in the future. > >>> Agnostically yours > >>> John Mikes > >> > >> > >> It would be supernatural not if it were inconsistent with known > physics, > >> but with any physics. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Stathis Papaioannou > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "Everything List" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > >> email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > >> To post to this group, send email to > >> everyth...@googlegroups.com<javascript:>. > > >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > > To post to this group, send email to > > everyth...@googlegroups.com<javascript:>. > > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
