>From my view, there is no public physical universe that is not also private physical experience. There is no unseen light, no unheard sound, to unfelt bodies. To me, "outside the physical universe" means only a dream or imagination, where what is felt is uncoupled from public effect. While we dream, our body remains present in its inertial frame of animal experience, but it has no perspective of its own. People's words are outdated. We have played out a hand that was picked centuries ago by dead geniuses. Since then we have not had a chance to pause and reassess what the strange new ideas of Einstein and Heisenberg really mean when we look at the implications of them from the absolute perspective. We have been playing with gigantic machines to study the fantastically distant and tiny, but no matter how far we go, it increasingly doesn't make sense when compared with our own experience, and it increasingly doesn't make sense itself. Multisense Realism is a way to acknowledge that this has become a wild goose chase, and posits that if we start over from scratch, it becomes more sensible to see relativity as identical to perceived awareness, and all physical forces naturally fall out of that awareness as elaboration of sensory motive inertia. Two different feelers sharing the same feeling are entangled. They are not particles but if a third feeler will feel a particulate stimulation from them. Space and time might be created here, by the disentanglement - the indifference and entropy which extends out in response to the significance of making a difference with sense interaction. Craig > > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.