On 29 October 2013 01:12, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What do you call "ANY PHYSICS"? is there a "God given" marvel (like any
> other religious miracle to believe in) callable "PHYSICS"? I consider it the
> explanation of certain phenomena (mostly with the help of math) at the level
> of knowledge AT such time of explanation. It was different in 2500 BC, in
> 1000 AD, last year and today. It is the explanation of figments we develop
> upon recognizing VIEWS of phenomena partially absorbed/understood as parts
> of a "PHYSICAL World".
> It all is adjusted to and within our limited capabilities of mind
> (consciousness???)

Physics is what happens in the natural world due to natural processes.

> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 12:43 AM, Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> On 28 October 2013 07:33, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Allegedly Stathis wrote:
>>> If consciousness supervenes on neurochemistry then the brain will be
>>> different if the conscious state is different. Demonstrating that there is a
>>> change in consciousness without a change in the brain, or a change in the
>>> brain not explained by the physics, would be evidence of supernatural
>>> processes.
>>>
>>> I would not call it 'supernatural', rather: beyond our presently
>>> known/knowable.
>>> Are you so sure that (your?) neurochemistry is "all we can have"? The
>>> demonstration you refer to would only show that our view is partial and
>>> whatever we call consciousness is something different from what's going on
>>> indeed. Explained by physics?
>>> I consider "physix" the ingenious explanation of the figments we perceive
>>> - at the level of such explanatory thinking. It changed from time-period to
>>> time-period and is likely to change further in the future.
>>> Agnostically yours
>>> John Mikes
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>> It would be supernatural not if it were inconsistent with known physics,
>> but with any physics.
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