2013/11/1 John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com>

>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 3:06 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote
>
>  >> The diary is useless because the diary was written by "you" and
>>> contains predictions about the further adventures of "you", but now there
>>> are 2 (or more) people with the title "you" ...
>>>
>>
>> > ..., but now there are 2 (or more) people IN THE THIRD PERSON POV,
>>
>
> And there are also 2 people IN THE FIRST PERSON POV and one of them does
> not have a stronger claim to having a subjective existence than the other.
>
>  > but the question concern the FIRST PERSON POV.
>>
>
> You have been duplicated so there are TWO FIRST PERSON POV and they both
> remember writing the diary, so which one is
>  Bruno Marchal talking about?
>

Anyone of the two... each will have a different diary, and by repeating the
experience they will notice the frequency goes to 0.5, like when you do a
coin toss... oh but wait... JC does not want to look at that, oh wait... JC
said that probability is 0 or 1.... yes JC knows all.



>
>  > And in Helsinki, you knew this in advance. You know that you will
>> survive
>>
>
> Yes, assuming that the pronoun "you" means what a fellow by the name of
> Bruno Marchal  says it means , namely  " "you" concerns the guy(s) who will
> remember having been in Helsinki".
>
> > and experience being in only one place.
>>
>
> No, assuming that the pronoun "you" means what a fellow by the name of
> Bruno Marchal says it means , namely " "you" concerns the guy(s) who will
> remember having been in Helsinki". And now ladies and gentleman let the
> backpedaling begin! If we backpedal hard enough soon we will leave the
> kingdom of the true but trivial and enter the land of gibberish.
>
> >> and no way to determine which one the diary was referring to.
>>>
>>
>> > False. It is very easy. In both city the diary is the one [you] have
>> with where [you] have found to be,
>>
>
>                   ^^^                               ^^^
> There we go again with that damn weasel pronoun! But it won't get Bruno
> Marchal off the hook this time, Bruno Marchal stated what it means, " "you"
> concerns the guy(s) who will remember having been in Helsinki", therefore
> the fellow named "you" has found himself to be in BOTH Washington and
> Moscow.
>
> > and it is the diary containing the prediction written in Helsinki.
>>
>
> And it was written by "you" and "you" now resides in Washington AND Moscow.
>
> > You continue to ignore that the question concerns the 1-you, as seen by
>> [the 1-you] , and not any 3-view of the
>> situation.
>>     ^^^^^^^^^
>>
>
> In the thought experiment there is no "the 1-you" there is only "a 1-you"
> because YOU HAS BEEN DUPLICATED! That's what it means to be duplicated!
>
>   John K Clark
>
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