On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> wrote: > Telmo, Do you think Quentin should be banned for bullying?
I don't think that anyone should be banned. We are all grown ups and it's not that hard to set up an email filter. I do think that it's depressing when people start referring to other people in the third person as archetypes of low status. > On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > 2013/11/1 Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > OK. I should have said "suggests intuitively: or "intuitively >> >> > suggests" >> >> > rather than merely "suggests that the universe is finite". However, >> >> > your >> >> > insult of categorizing me with roger and stephen lin is unmerited. >> >> >> >> And now you propagate the violence to people who have nothing to do >> >> with this discussion. As much as I typically disagree with what Roger >> >> says (and don't understand what Stephan Lin says), I don't like this >> >> sort of reference. This is just good old-fashioned bullying. >> > >> > >> > It's also true, but these people did everything to deserve that sort of >> > "bullying", nobody forced these two individuals to spam the list. >> >> I would be ok with banning them for spamming, but I don't think that >> anyone deserves bullying. >> >> > Quentin >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> OK... but then you shouldn't have use that as an argument... I >> >> >> respect >> >> >> intuition, I don't respect using that as an argument. >> >> >> >> >> >> Quentin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2013/11/1 Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Intuition >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 5:17 AM, Quentin Anciaux >> >> >>> <[email protected]> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Le 1 nov. 2013 00:39, "Richard Ruquist" <[email protected]> a >> >> >>>> écrit : >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > John, you are not the first that Quentin has categorized as a >> >> >>>> > roger >> >> >>>> > or >> >> >>>> > stephen lin. Richard >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> What does suggest that the universe is finite in the fact that >> >> >>>> we've >> >> >>>> found a fully formed galaxy 700 millions years after the big bang? >> >> >>>> Quentin >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Quentin Anciaux >> >> >>>> > <[email protected]> >> >> >>>> > wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> 2013/10/31 John Clark <[email protected]> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> >>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux >> >> >>>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> As I said before there is a profound difference between >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> the >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> two. After Everett's thought experiment is over only ONE >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> person is seen by a >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> third party so it's easy to determine who "you" is and >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> easy >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> to determine if >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> predictions about what "you" will see were right or >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> wrong, >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> but with Bruno's >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> thought experiment TWO people can be clearly seen that >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> have >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> a equal right to >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> the title "you" which means that the predictions about >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> what >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> "you" will see >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> are useless. And another difference is that Everett was >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> talking about >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> prediction and probability, and neither has anything to >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> do >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> with identity or >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> a sense of self. [...] In Everett's case we know who >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> "you" >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> is, it's the >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> only fellow we see. In Bruno's case right now we see 2 >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> people clear as a >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> bell and both are called "you" and both saw different >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> things, and that makes >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> meaningless the question asked yesterday "what is the >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> probability "you" will >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> see X?". [...] The diary is useless because the diary >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> was >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> written by "you" >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> and contains predictions about the further adventures of >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> "you", but now >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> there are 2 (or more) people with the title "you" and no >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> way >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> to determine >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> which one the diary was referring to. And the diary is >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> useless because good >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> predictions have no more to do with identity or a sense >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> of >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> self than bad >> >> >>>> >>>>> >> predictions. >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> > So are you at last ready to reject MWI...? if you don't, >> >> >>>> >>>> > you >> >> >>>> >>>> > are >> >> >>>> >>>> > not consistent >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> >>> The following is a flow diagram of the conversation we've been >> >> >>>> >>> having on this thread: >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> No you got it wrong, see previous message for the real steps... >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> Anyway, if 've waited too much to put you in the boitakon, meet >> >> >>>> >> roger >> >> >>>> >> and stephen li... you'll never acknowledge you're wrong, >> >> >>>> >> because >> >> >>>> >> you're just >> >> >>>> >> a troll. >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> Quentin >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> >>> Step 1: Quentin Anciaux states that John Clark treats >> >> >>>> >>> Everett's >> >> >>>> >>> ideas and Bruno's ideas inconsistently. >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> >>> Step 2: John Clark points out the ways Everett's ideas about >> >> >>>> >>> probability and prediction and Bruno's ideas about the nature >> >> >>>> >>> of >> >> >>>> >>> self are >> >> >>>> >>> fundamentally different. >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> >>> Step 3: Quentin Anciaux neither agrees nor disagrees with John >> >> >>>> >>> Clark's points. >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> >>> Step 4: Quentin Anciaux inserts one or more personal insults >> >> >>>> >>> directed at John Clark. >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> >>> Step 5: GOTO step 1. >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> >>> John k Clark >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> >>> -- >> >> >>>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >> >> >>>> >>> Google >> >> >>>> >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >> >> >>>> >>> To unsubscribe from 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