John, You seemed convinced that observers within duplicated but divergent simulations cannot distinguish their observations from a single course that evolves randomly. Why not proceed to the next step?
Jason On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 9:22 AM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The prediction, asked in Helsinki, concerned the 1-views, >> >> > And John Clark asks "the prediction concerns the first person view of > who?" and Bruno answers "the first person view of you" and John Clark asks > "who is you?" and Bruno answers "the guy with the first person view". And > around and around we go. Everybody has a 1P view, so just saying "from the > 1P view" tells me nothing unless I know the 1P view of who. > > > >> > the 1-you's experience admits a very simple definition: it is the >> story written in the diary that *you take with you, in Helsinki, in the >> teleportation box. >> > > And the diary was written by you, no doubt about it, but the trouble is > after the teleportation there is a fellow in Moscow and a fellow in > Washington that are both holding identical diaries that they both vividly > remember having written. So how in hell can I now determine if a prediction > made in Helsinki before anybody stepped into a teleportation box about what > city "you" will see was correct or not? And just chanting for the 99'th > time "you confuse the 1P and the 3P" will not help on iota in making that > determination. > > All I want is a way to figure out who "you" is so I can figure out if the > prediction about what city "you" will see was correct or not. Obviously > Bruno Marchal's old definition of "you", the one that actually made sense > ("you" concerns the guy(s) who will remember having been in Helsinki) > simply won't do because it would render vast stretches of Bruno Marchal's > theory wrong. So what new definition is there that I can use to figure out > if predictions concerning "you" turned out to be true or not? > > > >> >why am I the one with the experience (described in the diary): >> MMWWMWWMWWWWMMMMMM >> Why this one? >> > > You are the Moscow man because you are the man who saw Moscow, and you are > the MMWWMWWMWWWWMMMMMM man because you are the man who saw > MMWWMWWMWWWWMMMMMM. And iterating silly questions will not bring clarity. > > John K Clark > > > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
