John, You seemed convinced that observers within duplicated but divergent simulations cannot distinguish their observations from a single course that evolves randomly. Why not proceed to the next step?
Jason On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 9:22 AM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > > The prediction, asked in Helsinki, concerned the 1-views, >> >> > And John Clark asks "the prediction concerns the first person view of > who?" and Bruno answers "the first person view of you" and John Clark asks > "who is you?" and Bruno answers "the guy with the first person view". And > around and around we go. Everybody has a 1P view, so just saying "from the > 1P view" tells me nothing unless I know the 1P view of who. > > > >> > the 1-you's experience admits a very simple definition: it is the >> story written in the diary that *you take with you, in Helsinki, in the >> teleportation box. >> > > And the diary was written by you, no doubt about it, but the trouble is > after the teleportation there is a fellow in Moscow and a fellow in > Washington that are both holding identical diaries that they both vividly > remember having written. So how in hell can I now determine if a prediction > made in Helsinki before anybody stepped into a teleportation box about what > city "you" will see was correct or not? And just chanting for the 99'th > time "you confuse the 1P and the 3P" will not help on iota in making that > determination. > > All I want is a way to figure out who "you" is so I can figure out if the > prediction about what city "you" will see was correct or not. Obviously > Bruno Marchal's old definition of "you", the one that actually made sense > ("you" concerns the guy(s) who will remember having been in Helsinki) > simply won't do because it would render vast stretches of Bruno Marchal's > theory wrong. So what new definition is there that I can use to figure out > if predictions concerning "you" turned out to be true or not? > > > >> >why am I the one with the experience (described in the diary): >> MMWWMWWMWWWWMMMMMM >> Why this one? >> > > You are the Moscow man because you are the man who saw Moscow, and you are > the MMWWMWWMWWWWMMMMMM man because you are the man who saw > MMWWMWWMWWWWMMMMMM. And iterating silly questions will not bring clarity. > > John K Clark > > > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.