Re: For John Clark

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On 31 Oct 2013, at 20:49, John Clark wrote:```
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On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> As I said before there is a profound difference between the two. After Everett's thought experiment is over only ONE person is seen by a third party so it's easy to determine who "you" is and easy to determine if predictions about what "you" will see were right or wrong, but with Bruno's thought experiment TWO people can be clearly seen that have a equal right to the title "you" which means that the predictions about what "you" will see are useless. And another difference is that Everett was talking about prediction and probability, and neither has anything to do with identity or a sense of self. [...] In Everett's case we know who "you" is, it's the only fellow we see. In Bruno's case right now we see 2 people clear as a bell and both are called "you" and both saw different things, and that makes meaningless the question asked yesterday "what is the probability "you" will see X?". [...] The diary is useless because the diary was written by "you" and contains predictions about the further adventures of "you", but now there are 2 (or more) people with the title "you" and no way to determine which one the diary was referring to. And the diary is useless because good predictions have no more to do with identity or a sense of self than bad predictions.
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> So are you at last ready to reject MWI...? if you don't, you are not consistent
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The following is a flow diagram of the conversation we've been having on this thread:
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Step 1: Quentin Anciaux states that John Clark treats Everett's ideas and Bruno's ideas inconsistently.
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Step 2: John Clark points out the ways Everett's ideas about probability and prediction and Bruno's ideas about the nature of self are fundamentally different.
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Everett uses as much the simple notion of self on which we have already agree. Throwing a coin too. You could not predict what you will see (head or tail) if you don't survive the coin throwing. All your argument to refute the FPI works without change in the MWI, and in any random experience.
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Bruno

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Step 3: Quentin Anciaux neither agrees nor disagrees with John Clark's points.
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Step 4: Quentin Anciaux inserts one or more personal insults directed at John Clark.
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Step 5: GOTO step 1.

John k Clark

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