On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:18 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  On 11/12/2013 4:59 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:45 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On 11/12/2013 2:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>> On 12 Nov 2013, at 04:44, meekerdb wrote:
>>>   Experience may be like that; everything has 'experience', it's just
>>>> not human experience and when you stop having human experience you're dead.
>>> Why? If by dying we remember being something different from human, I
>>> would still feel like I am surviving. (Amazingly, salvia can lead to such
>>> an experience/hallucination).
>>  Yes, if you remember.  But I don't remember anything earlier than about
>> age 4 and neither do other people I know.  Which then implies that we are
>> not past eternal and so it is possible to not be future eternal.
>  You may be jumping to conclusions.  All that implies is that you don't
> currently have access to infinite memories.  Having infinite memories, and
> having access to infinite memories, are quite different from having an
> eternal past.
> Of course I don't even have access to memories of last Nov 12. It's not
> the absence of memories of 1000yrs ago, it's absence of *all* memory before
> 1944.

Sure, but there may be other explanations for that:
1. Tunneling through a diminished state of conscious, as someone falling
asleep or dying into Brent Meeker the fetus, or Brent Meeker waking up this
2. Engaging in an ancestor simulation as a member of an advanced
technological race (future humans or aliens) to experience life as a human.
3. A God-like mind who has decided to temporarily forget what it is like to
be God.

> Is it your theory that there is a first "Brent" experience, which was not
> the continuation of any prior experience, an experiencless predecessor.

All experience may be cyclical in the very long run, going through every
state of consciousness eventually.  I think this may be implied if there is
always some initial conscious state from which all conscious states emerge
(and perhaps all eventually return).

>   I could buy that, since I've been unconscious a few times.  But then
> that seems to allow there are experiences with no "continuation" in the
> sense of continuity.  They are just connected by memories or other
> similarities.

There is a continuation from being anesthetized to waking up from
anesthesia.  Would you say the same true for an amnesiac being anesthetized?


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