On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:50 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 21 November 2013 12:29, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:07 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On 21 November 2013 11:37, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote:
>> >> > who just did not want to pay taxes to the King of England,
>> >> Good on them. What next? Pay taxes to wizards and dragons?
>> > Weird comment. The King of England was only, in their view, an
>> > inappropriate
>> > subject to pay taxes to because they were no longer his subjects, at
>> > least
>> > in a de facto sense. They weren't against taxes per se, and set up a
>> > system
>> > in which people were expected to pay taxes. (And if wizards and dragons
>> > existed, people would indeed pay them taxes, or as we'd call it,
>> > protection
>> > money!)
>> > No matter how good your case, a reasoned argument is better than an
>> > invalid
>> > comparison.
>> Hi Liz,
>> I'm sorry but I don't understand your point. I am aware that the
>> founding fathers were in favour of taxes. As I said to Bruno, I admire
>> the constitution but I think that even more freedom can be achieved. I
>> just meant that paying taxes to kings on the other side of the world
>> is ridiculous, and that the king or queen themselves are ridiculous
>> entities in the modern world.
> My point is that you used a bad comparison. There is no reasonable
> comparison between the King of England at the time and wizards and drgaons,
It was a joke...
> and you are obscuring your point by using an inappropriate metaphor.
> Paying taxes to someone on the far side of the world seems ridiculous
> because that person isn't providing any of the services that they are, at
> least in theory, providing for their citizens back home. That's a fair
> point, but it doesn't make them mythical or imaginary, it just means that
> they are no longer in a position to treat colonists as subjects.
> Similarly, the King or Queen of England may be a ridiculous entity now, but
> they certainly weren't at the time, so (again) it doesn't make sense to
> suggest that.
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