The present title is better: *H U M A N consciousness. * I buy THAT as "being conscious". Of what? first of myself. Then: the world around ME. Then the development of HUMAN thinking over the past millennia, including good old D. Hume, who - IMO - was a wise person, but I feel since his time humanity might have absorbed SOME info in addition to what he had at his time. I appreciate Hume's wisdom, but would not like to go back and hold it as a measure for my thinking. He did not text from a jet-flight about a TV show, or ais DNA aberrations. Etc.
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 3:27 PM, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote: > Brent: *W h a t* consciousness? would you please describe your take > (observing the caveat of Liz)? > Whatever I could deduce from different peoples' (authors') mumblings (the > contents?) boiled down in my 'generealization' to *"RESPONSE TO > RELATIONS" *- no animal (human?) connotation, thinking, or feeling. > They all fell out. With no indication of *H O W ? * > *JM* > > > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:34 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > >> On 12/10/2013 7:42 PM, LizR wrote: >> >> On 11 December 2013 10:24, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: >> >>> On 12/10/2013 11:54 AM, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:33 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > One needs a rigorous definition of what consciousness is, to start >>>> with, >>>> >>> >>> Examples are usually preferable to definitions. >>> >>> > and then a theory that explains all its observed features, and makes >>>> testable predictions. >>>> >>> >>> But that's the beauty of consciousness theories, we can detect >>> consciousness only in ourselves so there are no observed features that a >>> consciousness theory must explain, >>> >>> >>> Actually there are some observed features. A sharp blow to the head >>> can create a gap in ones consciousness. Imbibing various substances that >>> can cross the blood/brain barrier have somewhat predictable effects. >>> Localized electrical stimulation of the brain produces repeatable effects, >>> both in consciousness and somatic. >>> >>> If you're assuming there is more to consciousness than the sum of our >> thoughts, experiences, memories, etc - then this *may* be a description >> of features of the contents of consciousness, rather than of the thing >> itself. >> >> >> ?? Are you speculating that there are parts of consciousness we're not >> conscious of? >> >> Brent >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.