2013/12/23 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>

>  On 12/23/2013 10:55 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
>
> 2013/12/23 Edgar L. Owen <edgaro...@att.net>
>
>> All,
>>
>> The question of whether God exists is meaningless without first giving
>> some definition of what is meant by God, of how God is defined. Otherwise
>> everyone is talking about different things and nothing will go anywhere.
>>
>> If you need a God there is only one possible rational definition and that
>> is to just define God as the universe itself. First there is now absolute
>> certainty that God does exist
>>
>
>  Well no... It is certain that I experience a reality but that there
> exists a consistent physical universe defined everywhere is not certain...
>
>
> Is your experience consistent, i.e. describable without contradictions?
> OK, then how you conceive it is your model of reality and the universe.
> If it includes things independent of your thoughts external to you, and
> other people that agree on these things, then that's the physics of it.
> Whether it's 'defined everywhere' would depend on your model.
>

I agree but any model is *far* from certainty... so defining "God" as
meaning the universe doesn't settle at all that  it exists...

Quentin


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> Brent
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