On 25 Dec 2013, at 19:26, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]>
wrote:
> The question of whether God exists is meaningless without first
giving some definition of what is meant by God, of how God is defined.
God
noun
A noise many members of the Everything list still insist on making
with their mouth even though they've long ago abandoned the idea
behind it.
The problem, you see, is that if we decide to give It another Name,
some people could take that name seriously, which is missing the
point, following the point of many religion or spirituality.
"God" is not that much a bad name. It is both a name and a
susbtantive, as we can talk about the pagan gods.
Gods are name for ignorances, but ignorances are real and with comp,
even more alive by its own, somehow.
To invoke a god in an explanation (like what comp shows that the
materialist do with matter, actually) is an error in science.
To invoke science to says there is no god, is also an error in science.
What we can say is that we don't have evidences for this or that form
of God(s) or Goddess(es).
I use Platonism, where God == Truth. Not necessarily the one we know
(but can't communicate rationally, or justify), but also the one we
question and search.
Bruno
John K Clark
Otherwise everyone is talking about different things and nothing
will go anywhere.
If you need a God there is only one possible rational definition and
that is to just define God as the universe itself. First there is
now absolute certainty that God does exist (all the interminable
meaningless arguments vanish), and second his attributes now become
the proper subject matter of science and reason rather than
ideology, faith or myth.
But most certainly the dogmas of all the organized religions are all
atavistic myths in the same category as Zeus and Odin which, like
them, should have been discarded millennia ago....
Edgar
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