On 28 Dec 2013, at 17:16, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Dear Bruno,
On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 4:54 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 27 Dec 2013, at 17:51, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Dear Bruno,
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 25 Dec 2013, at 18:40, [email protected] wrote:
Are we not presuming, structure, or a-priori, existence of
something, doing this processing, this work?
In the UDA we assume a "Turing universal", or "sigma_1-complete"
physical reality, in some local sense.
Could this "Turing universal/sigma_1-complete in a local sense" be
the exact criteria required to define the observations 3-
experiences of individuals or is it the 1-experiences of
individuals (observers) in keeping with the definition of an
observer as the intersection of infinitely many computations?
I think the UDA answers this question. You need Turing universality,
but also the FPI, which in some sense comes from mechanism, but not
necessarily "universality", which has, here, only an indirect
relevance in the definition of what is a computation in arithmetic.
I suspect that the FPI results from the "underlap" or failure to
reach exact overlap between observers. As if a small part of the
computations that are observers is not universal. This would
effectively induce FPI as any one observer would be forever unable
to exactly match its experience of "being in the world" with that of
another.
<,
We need this to just explain what is a computer, alias, universal
machine, alias universal number (implemented or not in a physical
reality).
Note that we do not assume a *primitive physical reality*. In comp,
we are a priori agnostic on this. The UDA, still will explains that
such "primitiveness" cannot solve the mind-body problem when made
into a dogma/assumption-of-primitiveness.
It has always seemed to me that UDA cannot solve the mind-body
problem strictly because it cannot comprehend the existence of
"other minds".
UDA formulates the problem, and show how big the mind-body problem
is, even before tackling the "other minds" problem. But something is
said. In fact it is easy to derive from the UDA the following
assertions:
comp + explicit non-solipsism entails sharable many words or a core
linear physical reality.
I do not comprehend this. It is easy for us to "see" that solipsism
is false,
?
but how can a computation "see" anything? I do not understand how it
is that you can claim that computations will not be solipsistic by
default.
The 1p is solipsist, but not in a public way, just in the trivial way
that nobody can see that solipsism is false, as the dream argument
justifies. Solipsism is irrefutable, and hopefully false.
Now, if you remember the definition of first person plural (which is
just when different people enter the same annihilation-reconstitution
box), if we add non solipsism, it means that when machine interact,
they share the computations. So, the only way to avoid solipsism in
comp, is that the measure is sharable by interacting machine, and so
they have to live in a quantum-lile many worlds.
But comp in fact has to justify the non-solipsism, and this is begun
through the nuance Bp & p versus Bp & Dt. Normally the linearity
should allow the first person plural in the "& Dt" nuance case.
Exactly! I am looking forward to the explanation of this " nuance Bp
& p versus Bp & Dt". :-
Keep in mind that UDA does not solve the problem, but formulate it.
AUDA go more deep in a solution, and the shape of that solution
(like UDA actually) provides already information contradicting the
Aristotelian theology (used by atheists and the main part of
institutionalized abramanic religion).
Sure. My main worry is that your wonderful result obtains at too
high a price: the inability to even model interactions and time.
If you show that, you extend the UDA in a full proof refutation of
comp. Good luck!
I thought this would be easy, but the simplicity of this is
counterbalanced by the self-referential constraints. On p-sigma_1, we
get already three arithmetical (quantum) quantizations.
Keep in mind that I offer a problem, not a solution (although I offer
a path toward it, and some shaping of the possible solutions, notably
that they belong to (neo)platonism and refute Aristotle).
Bruno
Bruno
Then in AUDA, keeping comp at the meta-level, I eliminate all
assumptions above very elementary arithmetic (Robinson Arithmetic).
The little and big bangs, including the taxes, and why it hurts is
derived from basically just
Kxy = x
Sxyz = xz(yz)
or just
x + 0 = x
x + s(y) = s(x + y)
x *0 = 0
x*s(y) = x*y + x
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