On 10 Jan 2014, at 03:38, LizR wrote:

On 10 January 2014 15:34, Edgar L. Owen <edgaro...@att.net> wrote: Liz,No, that's not the only way to falsify it. One merely needs to showit doesn't properly describe reality as I've just done. If you evenassume a computational universe in the first place you have toassume (you are assuming) that it computes reality. The fact thatreality exists is conclusive proof.That doesn't work for comp, however, which doesn't assume acomputational universe. The assumptions it makes are a lot simplerthan that. I believe they areThe Church-Turing thesis Elementary arithmetic That consciousness is a form of computation

`I prefer to say, for the last assumption, that consciousness is`

`invariant for some substitution done at some level. Strictly speaking`

`(sorry for nit-picking) consciousness, which is a 1p, cannot be a`

`computation, which is 3p. But comp associates them indeed.`

Bruno

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