On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> wrote: > Bruno, > > I use computation in the STANDARD sense of computer science. Computer > programs compute results.
Computers compute results. Computer programs describe how computers compute results. This is all circular and nothing was defined, in my view. > Reality computes the current state of the > universe. This is a big problem. There is no reason to assume that the universe has a current state. > It's very simple, straightforward and standard usage. So what? Telmo. > See my other post on the same topic for more detail..... > > Edgar > > > > On Friday, January 10, 2014 5:05:31 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 10 Jan 2014, at 04:16, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >> >> Liz, >> >> So? I'm not really interested in Bruno's comp as I don't think it actually >> applies to reality. I'll stick with my computational reality for the time >> being at least... >> >> >> But, please, define it. Nobody has the slightest idea of what you are >> talking about. Computation is a standard term in mathematical logic, and >> refer to the Church thesis. >> >> You can use a word with a different meaning, but then you have to provide >> the meaning that you are using. We cannot guess it. >> >> Also, "reality" is what we search, starting from statement on which we can >> agree (if only momentarily). >> You talk all the time like if yo, or we, knew what is reality. We don't. >> That's why we do research. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> Edgar >> >> On Thursday, January 9, 2014 10:05:03 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >>> >>> Well, that's OK then. >>> >>> Now we've cleared that up, I can repeat my original point: >>> >>> On 10 January 2014 15:34, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Liz, >>>> >>>> No, that's not the only way to falsify it. One merely needs to show it >>>> doesn't properly describe reality as I've just done. If you even assume a >>>> computational universe in the first place you have to assume (you are >>>> assuming) that it computes reality. The fact that reality exists is >>>> conclusive proof. >>>> >>> That doesn't work for [Bruno's] comp, however, which doesn't assume a >>> computational universe. The assumptions it makes are a lot simpler than >>> that. I believe they are >>> >>> The Church-Turing thesis >>> Elementary arithmetic >>> That consciousness is a form of computation >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
