Dear Terren,

On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Terren Suydam <terren.suy...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Stephen,
>
> Well, I'm not sure if what I'm asking is even coherent within the UDA, as
> it may betray a misunderstanding on my part.
>

I agree, interaction and the question of different physical laws for
different observers is not well defined in the UDA.




> But if that's not the case, then it seems to me that I could never
> communicate with Glak because our consciousnesses are selecting different
> universes within the infinite possibilities of experiences traced by the
> UD. It's analogous to asking how we could communicate with someone outside
> of our light cone.
>

I am trying to not assume that a space-time is defined a priori.



>
> Terren
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Stephen Paul King <
> stephe...@provensecure.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Terren,
>>
>>   Good question! I ask that you take what you wrote and add the following
>> question: How do Glak and Terren Communicate?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Terren Suydam 
>> <terren.suy...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Bruno,
>>>
>>> It seems that the UDA implies that physics is uniquely determined - but
>>> only for a particular point of view.  So I, Terren, experience one and only
>>> one physics, because my consciousness is the selection criteria among the
>>> infinity of computations going through my state. But what about Glak, a
>>> being in an alternative physics?  Glak's consciousness selects a
>>> unique/invariant physics for Glak, but that emergent physical universe Glak
>>> experiences is characterized by laws that are different from what I
>>> experience.
>>>
>>> Terren
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10 Jan 2014, at 09:58, LizR wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 10 January 2014 21:54, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09 Jan 2014, at 22:45, LizR wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10 January 2014 10:33, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the question is whether comp determines that the world is
>>>>>> (locally) Lorentz invariant.  If it is, then c is just a unit conversion
>>>>>> factor between the + and - signature terms.  It's value is arbitrary, 
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> "how many feet in a mile", which is why it is now an exact number in SI
>>>>>> units.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oh yes, I seem to remember that physicists like to set c (and h?) to 1.
>>>>>
>>>>> So does comp predict that any TOE will have a unique solution - namely
>>>>> the one we experience? So is this an alternative to the WAP - we 
>>>>> experience
>>>>> a universe compatible with our existence because such a universe has to
>>>>> drop out of the interations of conscious beings in Platonia?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It is not the same. WAP use a form of ASSA, where comp uses only RSSA.
>>>>> (Absolute versus Relative self sampling assumptions).
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, I don't quite understand that but I feel like a dim light migvht
>>>> have appeared.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> We might revise step seven, as this should be understood from it. Any
>>>>> TOE (that is any first order logical specification of any universal system
>>>>> taken in the ontology) must give rise to the same physics, at least for
>>>>> each pints of view. It gives the same theology, more generally, and 
>>>>> physics
>>>>> is defined through it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Remind me, which is step 7?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In steps 0-6, you grasped that from a first person perspective we are
>>>> unaware of the reconstitution delays, that they does not change the
>>>> probability calculus (if it exists) and that this remains true for the
>>>> change between "physical implementation" and "physical virtual
>>>> implementation".
>>>>
>>>> In step 7, you are supposed to be in a physical universe containing a
>>>> never stopping execution of a UD. So it is like in step six, except that
>>>> the indeterminacy domain is infinite. You can realize then that to predict
>>>> (in a conceptual and in an exact way) any first person experience you can
>>>> have, like when doing a pizza, you need to apply the "probability calculus"
>>>> on all your "reconstitutions" in the UD* (the complete running of the UD).
>>>> So physics is reduced to that probability calculus on all your
>>>> computations. OK?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> We can come back on this.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes please. This is very interesting!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks. tell me if you (re)saw the step 7 point.
>>>>
>>>> Bruno
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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