On Jan 10, 2014, at 1:54 PM, Stephen Paul King <[email protected]
> wrote:
Dear Jason,
Could you elaborate on how a simulation of Stephen and Glak is
related to the 1p of Stephen and Glak.
The simulation provides a consistent continuation path for your first
person view. In fact you could be in Thon's labratory right now.
Therefore you cannot be sure whether or not you and Glak are forever
unable to communicate as Glak's universe might also be within a
simulation run by Thon.
There is some ambiguity as to the relation between the 1p view (via
a simulation) that Thon would have and the 3p view idea. I really
think that the 3p concept is deeply problematic!
In the third person view you might see an infinite number of
explanations for your first person view, but it feels like there is
only one from the first person perspective.
Jason
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Jason Resch <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Jan 10, 2014, at 11:15 AM, Terren Suydam
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Stephen,
Well, I'm not sure if what I'm asking is even coherent within the
UDA, as it may betray a misunderstanding on my part. But if that's
not the case, then it seems to me that I could never communicate
with Glak because our consciousnesses are selecting different
universes within the infinite possibilities of experiences traced
by the UD. It's analogous to asking how we could communicate with
someone outside of our light cone.
Stephen,
You and Glak can communicate when a third alien, Thon, in yet a
third "universe" creates both you and Glak in a simulation in his
labratory, and sets up a virtual telescreen in both the simulations
that links you and Glak.
As you see, defining a universe as the reality supporting "the
ability of more than one observer to communicate" becomes quite
difficult in the computationalist framework.
Jason
Terren
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Stephen Paul King <[email protected]
> wrote:
Dear Terren,
Good question! I ask that you take what you wrote and add the
following question: How do Glak and Terren Communicate?
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Terren Suydam <[email protected]
> wrote:
Bruno,
It seems that the UDA implies that physics is uniquely determined -
but only for a particular point of view. So I, Terren, experience
one and only one physics, because my consciousness is the selection
criteria among the infinity of computations going through my state.
But what about Glak, a being in an alternative physics? Glak's
consciousness selects a unique/invariant physics for Glak, but that
emergent physical universe Glak experiences is characterized by
laws that are different from what I experience.
Terren
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 10 Jan 2014, at 09:58, LizR wrote:
On 10 January 2014 21:54, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
On 09 Jan 2014, at 22:45, LizR wrote:
On 10 January 2014 10:33, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
I think the question is whether comp determines that the world is
(locally) Lorentz invariant. If it is, then c is just a unit
conversion factor between the + and - signature terms. It's
value is arbitrary, like "how many feet in a mile", which is why
it is now an exact number in SI units.
Oh yes, I seem to remember that physicists like to set c (and h?)
to 1.
So does comp predict that any TOE will have a unique solution -
namely the one we experience? So is this an alternative to the
WAP - we experience a universe compatible with our existence
because such a universe has to drop out of the interations of
conscious beings in Platonia?
It is not the same. WAP use a form of ASSA, where comp uses only
RSSA. (Absolute versus Relative self sampling assumptions).
Ah, I don't quite understand that but I feel like a dim light
migvht have appeared.
We might revise step seven, as this should be understood from it.
Any TOE (that is any first order logical specification of any
universal system taken in the ontology) must give rise to the same
physics, at least for each pints of view. It gives the same
theology, more generally, and physics is defined through it.
Remind me, which is step 7?
In steps 0-6, you grasped that from a first person perspective we
are unaware of the reconstitution delays, that they does not change
the probability calculus (if it exists) and that this remains true
for the change between "physical implementation" and "physical
virtual implementation".
In step 7, you are supposed to be in a physical universe containing
a never stopping execution of a UD. So it is like in step six,
except that the indeterminacy domain is infinite. You can realize
then that to predict (in a conceptual and in an exact way) any
first person experience you can have, like when doing a pizza, you
need to apply the "probability calculus" on all your
"reconstitutions" in the UD* (the complete running of the UD). So
physics is reduced to that probability calculus on all your
computations. OK?
We can come back on this.
Yes please. This is very interesting!
Thanks. tell me if you (re)saw the step 7 point.
Bruno
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