On Jan 10, 2014, at 11:15 AM, Terren Suydam <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi Stephen,
Well, I'm not sure if what I'm asking is even coherent within the
UDA, as it may betray a misunderstanding on my part. But if that's
not the case, then it seems to me that I could never communicate
with Glak because our consciousnesses are selecting different
universes within the infinite possibilities of experiences traced by
the UD. It's analogous to asking how we could communicate with
someone outside of our light cone.
Stephen,
You and Glak can communicate when a third alien, Thon, in yet a third
"universe" creates both you and Glak in a simulation in his labratory,
and sets up a virtual telescreen in both the simulations that links
you and Glak.
As you see, defining a universe as the reality supporting "the ability
of more than one observer to communicate" becomes quite difficult in
the computationalist framework.
Jason
Terren
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Stephen Paul King <[email protected]
> wrote:
Dear Terren,
Good question! I ask that you take what you wrote and add the
following question: How do Glak and Terren Communicate?
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Terren Suydam <[email protected]
> wrote:
Bruno,
It seems that the UDA implies that physics is uniquely determined -
but only for a particular point of view. So I, Terren, experience
one and only one physics, because my consciousness is the selection
criteria among the infinity of computations going through my state.
But what about Glak, a being in an alternative physics? Glak's
consciousness selects a unique/invariant physics for Glak, but that
emergent physical universe Glak experiences is characterized by laws
that are different from what I experience.
Terren
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 10 Jan 2014, at 09:58, LizR wrote:
On 10 January 2014 21:54, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
On 09 Jan 2014, at 22:45, LizR wrote:
On 10 January 2014 10:33, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
I think the question is whether comp determines that the world is
(locally) Lorentz invariant. If it is, then c is just a unit
conversion factor between the + and - signature terms. It's value
is arbitrary, like "how many feet in a mile", which is why it is
now an exact number in SI units.
Oh yes, I seem to remember that physicists like to set c (and h?)
to 1.
So does comp predict that any TOE will have a unique solution -
namely the one we experience? So is this an alternative to the WAP
- we experience a universe compatible with our existence because
such a universe has to drop out of the interations of conscious
beings in Platonia?
It is not the same. WAP use a form of ASSA, where comp uses only
RSSA. (Absolute versus Relative self sampling assumptions).
Ah, I don't quite understand that but I feel like a dim light
migvht have appeared.
We might revise step seven, as this should be understood from it.
Any TOE (that is any first order logical specification of any
universal system taken in the ontology) must give rise to the same
physics, at least for each pints of view. It gives the same
theology, more generally, and physics is defined through it.
Remind me, which is step 7?
In steps 0-6, you grasped that from a first person perspective we
are unaware of the reconstitution delays, that they does not change
the probability calculus (if it exists) and that this remains true
for the change between "physical implementation" and "physical
virtual implementation".
In step 7, you are supposed to be in a physical universe containing
a never stopping execution of a UD. So it is like in step six,
except that the indeterminacy domain is infinite. You can realize
then that to predict (in a conceptual and in an exact way) any first
person experience you can have, like when doing a pizza, you need to
apply the "probability calculus" on all your "reconstitutions" in
the UD* (the complete running of the UD). So physics is reduced to
that probability calculus on all your computations. OK?
We can come back on this.
Yes please. This is very interesting!
Thanks. tell me if you (re)saw the step 7 point.
Bruno
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