On 1/10/2014 12:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 09 Jan 2014, at 22:32, Stephen Paul King wrote:

Dear LizR,

There is an interdependency that should not be ignored between the objects that express the quantities and relations that are represented by the logic and arithmetic. A universe that does not contain any persistent entities would not be capable of expressing numbers or statements.

Yes. But arithmetic contains many relatively persistent beings.

But what is the measure of "relative persistence"? Are you talking about neutrons that may last seconds or millenia, depending on circumstances, or a planet or a person which change constantly and are only recognizable as a "being" in a rough and approximate way?


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