Bruno, as I recall my recollection of Colin was an oldie one from his young-age ideas. Many many years ago.
John On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 14 Jan 2014, at 23:09, John Mikes wrote: > > Brent: > > thanks for submitting Colin Hales' words! > I lost track of him lately in the West-Australian deserts (from where he > seemed to move to become focussed on being accepted for scientific title(s) > by establishment-scientist potentates - what I never believed of him > indeed). > I loved (and tried to digest to some extent) his earlier 'words' - making > them fundamental to my developing agnosticism. > > Brent, to your short closing remark: > I do not equate 'being conscious' with the domain-adjective of > consciousness - it may be a certain aspect showing within the domain, > pertinent to 'those lumps of matter' you mention. I aso value "structure" > more than just material functioning. And I wish I had such (your?) > alternative hypotheses... not only my agnosticism about it. > > I agree with most of Colin's un-numbered points on the figment he called > "science of consciousness". What I would have added is a date of yesterday > (and to support it - as I usually do - compare that level to earlier > (millennia?) similar concoctions) > . > And - would have parethesized the territory named 'science' in them all. > > Well: what *- IS -* the *LAW OF NATURE *as widely believed? It is the > majority of results of observed (poorly understood?) phenomena within the > portion of Everything we so far got access to - and that, too, in our > mind's adjustment at its actual level (inventory). > (Wording mostly based on Colin's earlier writings) > It depends on the boundaries *WE CHOSE. *Consider different boundaries > and the LAW will change immediately, even within our unchanged ignorance of > the totality. > > > From what I understand, Colin's try to introduce in the exact sciences the > lack of rigor of the human sciences. I believe in the contrary: we must > come back to rigor in the human and fundamental science. > I don't see at all how Colin's approach can be consistent with the > correct-machine, and human, fundamental agnosticism. > > Bruno > > > > > Thank you, Colins (and Brent) > > John Mikes > > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 4:44 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 1/12/2014 9:42 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> I'm sorry I repeat this answer so many times, but this claim is also >> made so many times. The main problem I see with this idea is that no >> progress has been made so far in explaining how a lump of matter >> becomes conscious, as opposed to just being a zombie mechanically >> performing complex behaviors. Insisting that such an explanation must >> exist instead of entertaining other models of reality strikes me as a >> form of mysticism. >> >> >> Well we know that one lump of matter is conscious and we think some >> others that are structually similar are and that some others are not. A >> plausible hypothesis is that the consciousness is a consequence of the >> structure. Alternative hypotheses would have to explain this coincidence. >> >> Brent >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
