thanks for submitting Colin Hales' words!
I lost track of him lately in the West-Australian deserts (from where he
seemed to move to become focussed on being accepted for scientific title(s)
by establishment-scientist potentates - what I never believed of him
I loved (and tried to digest to some extent) his earlier 'words' - making
them fundamental to my developing agnosticism.
Brent, to your short closing remark:
I do not equate 'being conscious' with the domain-adjective of
consciousness - it may be a certain aspect showing within the domain,
pertinent to 'those lumps of matter' you mention. I aso value "structure"
more than just material functioning. And I wish I had such (your?)
alternative hypotheses... not only my agnosticism about it.
I agree with most of Colin's un-numbered points on the figment he called
"science of consciousness". What I would have added is a date of yesterday
(and to support it - as I usually do - compare that level to earlier
(millennia?) similar concoctions)
And - would have parethesized the territory named 'science' in them all.
Well: what *- IS -* the *LAW OF NATURE *as widely believed? It is the
majority of results of observed (poorly understood?) phenomena within the
portion of Everything we so far got access to - and that, too, in our
mind's adjustment at its actual level (inventory).
(Wording mostly based on Colin's earlier writings)
It depends on the boundaries *WE CHOSE. *Consider different boundaries and
the LAW will change immediately, even within our unchanged ignorance of the
Thank you, Colins (and Brent)
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 4:44 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 1/12/2014 9:42 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
> I'm sorry I repeat this answer so many times, but this claim is also
> made so many times. The main problem I see with this idea is that no
> progress has been made so far in explaining how a lump of matter
> becomes conscious, as opposed to just being a zombie mechanically
> performing complex behaviors. Insisting that such an explanation must
> exist instead of entertaining other models of reality strikes me as a
> form of mysticism.
> Well we know that one lump of matter is conscious and we think some
> others that are structually similar are and that some others are not. A
> plausible hypothesis is that the consciousness is a consequence of the
> structure. Alternative hypotheses would have to explain this coincidence.
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