On 16 Jan 2014, at 15:18, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Dear Bruno,
Let me first say that I share your opinion of physicalism!
My point is that it is the only opinion available to any self-
referentially correct machines (believing in rationality and some
amount of occam (the amount needed to disbelieve in fairy tales).
As to the empirical evidence of inorganic minds. What behavior
should we look for?
By comp, the behavior (indeed even the subjective experience) is the
same for organic and inorganic mind.
I ask this with all seriousness, as I have been researching methods
to detect AGI (another way to denote inorganic minds) and have found
that there are, IMHO, very good arguments (particularly by Goetzel)
that have been made that show that we should not expect AGI to
interact via "natural languages" and will not have models of the
world that can be mapped via simple bijections to our models of the
world. Basically, their "physics" are expected to be very different.
That does not make sense to me. The AGI might have different qualia,
but if it does get the right comp quanta, then the AGI will conclude
that he/it/she is not a machine, which is absurd, or that comp is
wrong, and then it is a zombie!
Bruno
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 16 Jan 2014, at 04:02, Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote:
http://www.edge.org/response-detail/25377
Neil Gershenfeld
Physicist, Director, MIT's Center for Bits and Atoms; Author, FAB
Totally agree: He blames Turing and von Neumann
So do I.
He assumes both comp and weak materialism. In fact some digital
physics. This has been shown many time here to not work at all. I
can repeat the argument, but it is very easy from the UDA.
Physicalism is ready for retirement, if comp is true.
We stopped doing real empirical work on the inorganic brain 60
years ago. We failed for 60 years to make an inorganic brain.
Computer “Science” was never and never will be an empirical science
at all. It is 100% the experimental exploration of theoretical
models .... and has been generationally systemically confused with
empirical science.
I think on the contrary that computer science gives a precise
criteria how to use the empirical experimentation to refute precise
theory of the mind.
You assume that an inorganic brain might one day function, but that
would mean that comp, or string AI, is possible, and then I don't
see how you could avoid the consequences.
Party’s over.
You talk here a bit like Edgar or other "knower of the Truth".
We are just searching, using theories (= hypothesis), as only them
put light on how to interpret the experimental data.
Bruno
Cheers
Colin
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