On 13 Feb 2014, at 23:38, chris peck wrote:
Hi Bruno
>> Come on, the poor guy tried hard since two years, and has
convinced only him
That's a good way of spinning the fact that for two years it is in
reality you who has failed to convince him.
That's a good way of spinning the difference between convincing only
oneself and convincing his peers, notably academical (even if some
philosophers resist, and some scientists react by solidarity, but not
by argument nor even dialog). Then on this list I think most people
grasp easily steps 0-6, if not 7, and some have no problem with 8.
New difficulties can arise as we dig deeper in the arithmetical
version of the UDA.
I agree, perhaps too much, that the work is not perfect, and that some
clarification can be added to the step 8, and to the relation between
UDA and AUDA, and that is why I like to discuss this with people
sharing some interest.
Now if you can make sense of Clark's post, please, say something. If
it just rhetorical tricks to confuse people, then refrain, please.
Bruno
All the best
Chris
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Subject: RE: Suicide Words God and Ideas
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 22:23:08 +0000
Hi Quentin
>> I do not, valid critics are valid,
By definition mate.
>> but when you point to someone the inconsistency in his argument
and that he maintains for years the same invalid argument that means
that person does not want to argue, he wants to defend a position at
all costs, that's evil.
This is what I mean by emotional arm waving. I can honestly think of
things that are more evil and I suppose, from Clark's point of view,
hes been pointing out the inconsistencies in Bruno's argument for
two years too. Does that make Bruno evil???
In a later post you try to rebut Clark :
>>>> In the MWI John Clark doesn't have to worry about who "I" or
"you" is because however many copies of "I" or "you" there may or
may not be they will never meet.
>>That changes absolutely nothing... just put the reconstruction of
the W guy 200 years later than the M guy, they will never meet...
But if you can send the W guy skipping through time, you can send
the M guy skipping through time too. So they could potentially meet.
In MWI 'copies' can not potentially meet. If this is your attempt to
point out an inconsistency its dismissively lazy and fails
triumphantly.
In my opinion your beef is impotent anyhow. The most you'd ever show
was that Clark applied his argument inconsistently, you certainly
wouldn't show that he was wrong about Bruno's metaphysics.
all the best
Chris.
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 09:39:21 +1300
Subject: Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas
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On 14 February 2014 08:56, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
So no matter what is refuted we can save comp by saying that it is
true but at a lower level and what we have observed that appears to
refute comp is a dream or simulation at a higher level.
If this is true, comp isn't a scientific theory.
Of course the converse of this is that no matter what we observe
then it cannot confirm comp.
This is true of any scientific theory (if comp is one, therefore,
also true of comp).
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