On 15 February 2014 09:03, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote: > LizR: but WHO is the observer? In my vocabulary "observer" is > anyrhing/body acknowledging input on anything/body. > (from a charged ion to G.B.Shaw upon an electric charge up to a > drama-input.Observation is part of consciousness (again > in my terms: as response to relations). (Now Brent, please, do not accuse > me, the agnostic, of "knowing" too much). > In such case there is no problem with the 'early' universe, no matter how > we imagine the explanations of 'observed' data > any time by our "science". >
But we weren't talking about your vocabulary, we were talking specifically about comp. And in comp, as far as I know, an "observer" has to be a conscious being (see exchange quoted below). JM. > > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:47 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 13 February 2014 09:18, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 12 Feb 2014, at 18:58, meekerdb wrote: >>> >>> That doesn't follow. If there are disjoint worlds, as contemplated in >>> some versions of cosmology, they may have different physics. >>> >>> Nice, comp predicts that this is impossible, although I can agree this >>> is a matter of semantics, as I define a physical laws to be true for all >>> universal machines, so disjoint worlds will have only different geographies. >>> >> >> So you're saying that only those worlds with observers in exist, >> according to comp? So the physics they observe will necessarily be such >> that it allows them to exist? (In other words, the "Strong Anthropic >> Principle" ?) >> >> If so, how do you account for us being able to observe an early universe >> in which there were apparently no observers? Or do we as obsverers create >> it (somehow) ? >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
