On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 11:36:31 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
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> On 19 February 2014 16:18, Stathis Papaioannou <stat...@gmail.com<javascript:>
> > wrote:
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> I'm making a case for reductionism. If biochemistry necessarily leads to 
>> consciousness then I don't think this is any different to the situation 
>> where biochemistry necessarily leads to life. 
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>
> OK, I think you're making a case for it in a very generalised way, 
> without, for example, committing necessarily to any particular ontological 
> "ground floor". And as you said before, it leaves us with rather more 
> explaining to do in the case of consciousness than that of life, with the 
> usual caveats about the dangers inherent in any appeal to personal 
> incredulity.
>
>   If we imagine that the biochemistry is all there but no 
> consciousness that would   be like imagining that the biochemistry is all 
> there but no life (which Craig can     apparently do). 
>
> That would be mysterious indeed.
>

Not really. A graphic automata could be constructed to resemble biochemical 
interactions rather than a standard Conway's game of life, without any kind 
of life going on (assuming that comp fails).

Craig
 

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> David
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