On 19 Feb 2014, at 17:18, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 18/02/2014, David Nyman <da...@davidnyman.com> wrote:
>> I think if I say consciousness is an epiphenomenon of
biochemistry I
>> should also say that life is.
>
>
> And should you not go on to say that biochemistry is an
epiphenomenon of
> physics and physics is an epiphenomenon of .... well, something
that is not
> itself epiphenomenal, I guess? The way you formulate the problem
seems to
> tend to the conclusion that any and all appearances should
strictly be
> considered an epiphenomenon of something more fundamental that
cannot
> possibly be encountered directly. And, moreover, there is no
entailment
> that any such something be straightforwardly isomorphic with any
of those
> appearances. I'm not saying that this view is incoherent, by the
way, but
> do you agree that something like this is entailed by what you say?
I'm making a case for reductionism. If biochemistry necessarily
leads to consciousness
Biochemistry or anything Turing universal.
then I don't think this is any different to the situation where
biochemistry necessarily leads to life.
Ah!
But then life is clearly a 3p phenomenon, so why make consciousness an
epiphenomenon? Of course consciousness is "only" a 1p phenomenon, but
it can make sense (indeed as a sense maker or receptor).
Bruno
If we imagine that the biochemistry is all there but no
consciousness that would be like imagining that the biochemistry is
all there but no life (which Craig can apparently do).
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