On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:52:12 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Feb 2014, at 03:22, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:03:15 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >> >> On 28 February 2014 03:02, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> In other words, why, in a functionalist/materialist world would we need >>> a breakable program to keep telling us that our hand is not Alien? >>> >>> Or contrariwise, why do you need a breakable programme to tell you that >> it's your hand? >> > > Sure, that too. It doesn't make sense functionally. What difference does > it make 'who' the hand 'belongs' to, as long as it performs as a hand. > > >> Maybe it isn't always obvious that it's my hand... I believe the brain >> has an internal model of the body. I guess without one it wouldn't find it >> so easy to control it? A body's quite complicated, after all... >> > > Why should the model include its own non-functional presence though? > > > > Because the "model", the machine is not just confronted with its own > self-representation, but also with truth, as far as we are. Put > differently, because the machine can't conflate []p and []p & p. Only God > can do that. >
I don't see why self-representation would or could go beyond a simple inventory of functions. It seems a clear double standard to suggest on one hand that once a substitution level is met there can be no difference between your sun in law and a natural person, but on the other hand you are saying that of course machines can tell a difference between two identical functions just because one of them feels alien. Craig > Bruno > > > > > Craig > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
