On 10 Mar 2014, at 22:01, Gabriel Bodeen wrote:
On Monday, March 10, 2014 2:08:14 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
That relativism argues against comp, and even implicitly against
Church thesis. But my point is not that comp is true, just that with
comp, the theory QM + comp is redundant, and we have to justify QM
(at the least its logic) from self-reference. And up to now, it
looks it works.
Bruno
A physicalist would presumably point out that the redundancy of QM
+comp doesn't tell you which is original and which is derivative.
Like Everett restore locality and determinacy in the physical reality,
comp restores the person and its points of view.
Physicists usually assume, or take for granted, large portion of the
arithmetical reality, already. So comp is just simpler, and it avoids
the elimination of the person which is almost obligatory if you want
to maintain senses and references, when assuming both comp and a
primitive matter.
In the terms of the Aristotle vs. Plato distinction you pointed out,
I'm unaware of evidence on which to make a decision. So I don't,
which is why I mentioned that ignorance prior.
OK. Me too. But modern physics has a strong mathematical flavor, and
consciousness seems more to be an immaterial belief or knowledge than
something made of particles, so, if interested in the mind body
problem, the platonic perspective has some merit, especially taking
into account the failure of Aristotelian dualism.
Then assuming comp, there is no need in a "complex" mathematical realm.
Church's thesis rehabilitates Pythagorus. I can explain if you are
interested.
Bruno
-Gabe
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