Quentin, simply make your choice. Are you trusting of this mix of politicians and billionaires doing what is smart on energy and the environment, or are you suspicious of these guys because they appear to be doing poor job on either? Inconsistencies in behavior regarding public policy, a lack of cause and effect? If you are good with their rule, life goes on, and if you're suspicious that they are lying like a rug on several issues, then, you are more or less in my camp. I don't believe after reading the science documents released by people who ought to know better, that we are getting an incomplete picture to address their political ends. On the human side of things, are you content with resolving problems through new laws controlling people, or would you rather have peoples' and the environment's quality of life improved? There is no false dichotomy here.
What sort of crazy are you ? Why are you adding things not written ? Can you just count in binary ? Everything is always an all or nothing in your mind ? Quentin -----Original Message----- From: Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:59 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating 2014-03-20 14:55 GMT+01:00 <spudboy...@aol.com>: Very well, go ahead and power it all down. Shut off the cars, kill the lights, take a bike. What sort of crazy are you ? Why are you adding things not written ? Can you just count in binary ? Everything is always an all or nothing in your mind ? Quentin Are you suggesting that we continue to burn filthy coal, or horrible uranium, while we try to goose up solar and wind to replace it?!! Why that will take decades and the catastrophe is already upon us. The heating of the atmosphere and the degradation of the lands and seas, cannot wait (your guys tell us). Or what are they really saying, put into motion in real life? It comes down to a culture of complaint from the green-reds, rather than actual workable solutions. I want technical solutions, but then, I am in the minority, as you indicate, and your side (and it is your side) wants people controlled and dominated (impoverished) and I see myself as someone who'd rather help people, liberate them, rather that 'manage' them. If I was one of the people who decided things, what would you do? No it doesn't have to... it's not because it can't currently replace everything that it can't replace part of it... and it does thanks you're not the one who decide things. -----Original Message----- From: Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:36 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating 2014-03-20 14:34 GMT+01:00 <spudboy...@aol.com>: Please remember, solar, to remediate, must replace all nat gas, all coal, all uranium, all petro that all cities and cars. No it doesn't have to... it's not because it can't currently replace everything that it can't replace part of it... and it does thanks you're not the one who decide things. Quentin There are wonderful looking projects that have been proposed for 50 years, that for technical reasons, cannot achieve much, other than getting cheers from admirers in the media. I love it too, but it must do the rugged, robust, work, of replacement of the dirty-to be any good at all. It cannot simply be artist work on paper and splashed to the tech heads. My point: propaganda doesn't feed empty stomachs. If that solar farm described in SciAm had been realised it would have been carried out by a democratically elected government, not a dictatorship -----Original Message----- From: LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 6:10 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 20 March 2014 07:10, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote: Here's an article that informs me, if nobody else, how complicated the climate thing is. http://phys.org/news/2014-03-goldilocks-principle-hypothesis-earth-habitability.html Beyond that I agree with John on his estimate of cutting the standard of living down, to fit the ideal "environmental foot print." Improving the standard of living with better energy technology will sustain the billions and flourish the ecosystem-if done right. Technology is the answer, sans, government rule of the public. Dictatorships, even well-meaning ones, are horrible. Use Mao's approach to agricultural production during the Great Leap Forward from 1958-62, as a prime example. If that solar farm described in SciAm had been realised it would have been carried out by a democratically elected government, not a dictatorship. Part of the point of having a government is to provide things that no individual or profit-based organisation would wish to do, such as building motorways, communications networks, hospitals, schools, power plants, rail networks, and other infrastructure. This would apply to some clean power schemes that are too large for a private investor, which applies to (some) tidal, wind, hydro, solar, nuclear etc. I can't imagine many private companies would have been building nuclear power plants off their own bat in the 1950s. So we need government to do stuff above the level that private enterprise can manage. Dictatorship is simply government done wrong. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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